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  • People have no right to die under any circumstance

    15 18.52%
  • Only terminally ill people have the right to die

    5 6.17%
  • People have the right to die, but healthcare professionals should not aid in the process

    11 13.58%
  • People have the right to die, and healthcare professionals should be allowed to assist suicide

    46 56.79%
  • Suicide attempts should not be a criminal offense

    26 32.10%
  • Suicide attempts should be illegal

    11 13.58%
  • other

    8 9.88%
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    How exactly does death enter into the equation of maintaining life?
    I would like to address just this question right here.

    Death is very important to maintaining life, all over nature. Plants die to feed multiple different animals. Many animals die to feed other animals. When fires destroy and kill off forests full of trees, new plants and trees can now grow and live their own lives.

    Nature balances will try to balance itself to maintain life and death since nature can only support so many of any one type of living thing before that thing destroys too many resources for it to survive.

    Death is a very important part of the equation of life.
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    I.m sure you also avoid mixed cloth and shellfish...and thinks its ok to sell your 12yr old daughter.
    What does that have to do with anything, Tecoyah? Do you think that question is going to change our beliefs on suicide? Why believe theft is a sin, either?

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I would like to address just this question right here.

    Death is very important to maintaining life, all over nature. Plants die to feed multiple different animals. Many animals die to feed other animals. When fires destroy and kill off forests full of trees, new plants and trees can now grow and live their own lives.

    Nature balances will try to balance itself to maintain life and death since nature can only support so many of any one type of living thing before that thing destroys too many resources for it to survive.

    Death is a very important part of the equation of life.
    While life and death are important aspect of existence, death is not a part of life. Meaning, helping people kill themselves doesn't seem to help other living people. I doesn't make much sense to maintain life by taking it, much like it doesn't make much sense to fix a car by rolling it off a cliff.

    I think your statement is correct if it's being applied to our ecology. Life and death are bother very important for our wildlife, our oceans, forests, soil, etc. Being one who gardens and composts soil, I definitely agree that life and death are both essential and beneficial to nature. Death is a very important part of existence, but it is not necessarily an important part of life. To animals and plants, sure, but human life and death are a bit different from the life and death dynamics of composting, etc. If death was such an important part of life regarding human life, then why not find other ways to help humans die? Perhaps we should install the concept of uethanasia as well, because we humans could benefit a bit more from the deaths of the unbeneficial elderly.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Yes I do. The Bible states in quite a few areas that suicide is a sin, because you vanquish the life that God gave you. That is what the Bible states, and I hold to that.
    I don't mean to get off topic, but do you take the bible literally? If you're unwilling to make an exception for those in agonizing pain wishing to die, I imagine you won't make the exception in regards to other parts of the bible...say selling your daughter into slavery? Stoning adulterers and homosexuals?

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    I don't mean to get off topic, but do you take the bible literally? If you're unwilling to make an exception for those in agonizing pain wishing to die, I imagine you won't make the exception in regards to other parts of the bible...say selling your daughter into slavery? Stoning adulterers and homosexuals?
    I don't want this thread to be derailed, so I'll sum up my beliefs and leave that issue at that.

    As a Christian, I do take the Bible literally. Furthermore, I follow the New Testament. Even if the New Testament calls for the stoning of adulterers/homosexuals, just because I don't go out killing people doesn't in any way mean I can't uphold the less extreme aspects of the Bible. According to Christianity, if one does not stone, must that also mean you don't have to follow the scriptures on suicide? If you don't follow the scripture on suicide, do you not have to follow these other scriptures, etc? And on and on that goes until you basically discard the whole Bible. I follow what is practical in the Bible, and viewing suicide as a sin and voting on my beliefs is not impractical. IF it turn out that not following the entirety of the NT means a trip to Hell, then I'll take responsibility for it. Just because you don't kill people in the NT, if it even calls for that, doesn't mean you should not follow anything else in the NT.

    Those are my thoughts, and I'm leaving it at that.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I don't want this thread to be derailed, so I'll sum up my beliefs and leave that issue at that.

    As a Christian, I do take the Bible literally. Furthermore, I follow the New Testament. Even if the New Testament calls for the stoning of adulterers/homosexuals, just because I don't go out killing people doesn't in any way mean I can't uphold the less extreme aspects of the Bible. According to Christianity, if one does not stone, must that also mean you don't have to follow the scriptures on suicide? If you don't follow the scripture on suicide, do you not have to follow these other scriptures, etc? And on and on that goes until you basically discard the whole Bible. I follow what is practical in the Bible, and viewing suicide as a sin and voting on my beliefs is not impractical. IF it turn out that not following the entirety of the NT means a trip to Hell, then I'll take responsibility for it. Just because you don't kill people in the NT, if it even calls for that, doesn't mean you should not follow anything else in the NT.

    Those are my thoughts, and I'm leaving it at that.
    So, you basically pick and choose what you view as practical.

    And BTW, if you're a Christian and support the NT, you HAVE to likewise support and uphold the OT.

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    Honestly who would want the job of killing sick and mentally ill people day after day. If people want to die maybe they should be allowed to buy cyanide pills with morphine and do it themselves but to ask doctors to do this in their job description is just wrong. These people study and fork out money for years of their life to save peoples lives why should we put this negative aspect into their job description.
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    While life and death are important aspect of existence, death is not a part of life. Meaning, helping people kill themselves doesn't seem to help other living people. I doesn't make much sense to maintain life by taking it, much like it doesn't make much sense to fix a car by rolling it off a cliff.

    I think your statement is correct if it's being applied to our ecology. Life and death are bother very important for our wildlife, our oceans, forests, soil, etc. Being one who gardens and composts soil, I definitely agree that life and death are both essential and beneficial to nature. Death is a very important part of existence, but it is not necessarily an important part of life. To animals and plants, sure, but human life and death are a bit different from the life and death dynamics of composting, etc. If death was such an important part of life regarding human life, then why not find other ways to help humans die? Perhaps we should install the concept of uethanasia as well, because we humans could benefit a bit more from the deaths of the unbeneficial elderly.
    It is certainly beneficial to life as well. It helps us realize that we do have limitations. It makes people more apt to realize that they should not take their days of life for granted because they are limited. It also can encourage people to try to live healthier lives that are balanced.

    And there are definitely harmful effects to allowing people or worse, forcing people, to live in immense pain and suffering just for us. Some people hold on too long and harm others just to keep a person alive who wants to die in peace.

    Have you ever seen the movie "My Sister's Keeper"? I love that movie and seems a good example of how keeping a person alive who would rather die can be harmful to others and can negatively effect, even physically, the lives of others.

    I also think of the people in my life who died in hospitals because we as a society want to prolong life so long that the remaining years end up being almost torture for many people. And it isn't always the family either. The hospital told my mother that if she took my grandmother out for my wedding and my grandmother died, that my mother could be held responsible. My grandmother died a couple of weeks later in the hospital. She missed out on seeing any of her grandchildren get married because we can't see that death is a natural part of life.
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I don't want this thread to be derailed, so I'll sum up my beliefs and leave that issue at that.

    As a Christian, I do take the Bible literally. Furthermore, I follow the New Testament. Even if the New Testament calls for the stoning of adulterers/homosexuals, just because I don't go out killing people doesn't in any way mean I can't uphold the less extreme aspects of the Bible. According to Christianity, if one does not stone, must that also mean you don't have to follow the scriptures on suicide? If you don't follow the scripture on suicide, do you not have to follow these other scriptures, etc? And on and on that goes until you basically discard the whole Bible. I follow what is practical in the Bible, and viewing suicide as a sin and voting on my beliefs is not impractical. IF it turn out that not following the entirety of the NT means a trip to Hell, then I'll take responsibility for it. Just because you don't kill people in the NT, if it even calls for that, doesn't mean you should not follow anything else in the NT.

    Those are my thoughts, and I'm leaving it at that.
    What about those who are brain dead and have been living on life support for many months/years?

    Are YOU going to pay the millions of dollars to keep them alive if the family simply cannot afford it and/or doesn't want them to continue living in that condition?

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Justice For All View Post
    Honestly who would want the job of killing sick and mentally ill people day after day. If people want to die maybe they should be allowed to buy cyanide pills with morphine and do it themselves but to ask doctors to do this in their job description is just wrong. These people study and fork out money for years of their life to save peoples lives why should we put this negative aspect into their job description.
    There are health care professionals who would be willing to assist in suicide. No one should ever be forced to provide assistance, and I don't believe that is what was being suggested. I'm pretty sure it was a question of allowing those who wish to assist someone else to commit suicide to legally do so.
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