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  • People have no right to die under any circumstance

    15 18.52%
  • Only terminally ill people have the right to die

    5 6.17%
  • People have the right to die, but healthcare professionals should not aid in the process

    11 13.58%
  • People have the right to die, and healthcare professionals should be allowed to assist suicide

    46 56.79%
  • Suicide attempts should not be a criminal offense

    26 32.10%
  • Suicide attempts should be illegal

    11 13.58%
  • other

    8 9.88%
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Because mental illness inherently robs someone of the sound judgment necessary to make such a decision. As far as "what gives others the right to judge", it's the same thing that gives us the right to judge that kids can't smoke
    cigarettes: Kids who smoke cigarettes, like mentally ill people who want to kill themselves, generally aren't capable of making a rational decision and should therefore be protected from hurting themselves.
    Why is there a belief that mental illness = irrational thought.

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    Re: Right to die

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Do people have the right to die and take their own lives? Should healthcare professionals be allowed to aid patients in taking their lives in a painless and more dignified manner? Should we criminalize suicide or remove criminal status?

    What are you opinions on suicide/self-deliverance/right to die?
    You have the right to die,but medical professionals should not be allowed to help you commit suicide. The only time suicide attempts should be a criminal offense is they harm others and or damage property.
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    Re: Right to die

    if we can put a suffering pet to sleep, i don't see a reason why people shouldn't be given the same option in the case of their own lives.

    however, there should be a process, and physicians should be involved.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Do people have the right to die and take their own lives? Should healthcare professionals be allowed to aid patients in taking their lives in a painless and more dignified manner? Should we criminalize suicide or remove criminal status?

    What are you opinions on suicide/self-deliverance/right to die?
    While I believe that suicide is cowardly and wrong, and that those who do commit suicide will burn in hell according to Traditional Christianity, I acknowledge that this is America, and that not everyone is Christian. That said, I think people have the right to kill themselves. That only includes the person, not any other person to aid in the matter. For the healthcare professional it's unethical. These healthcare workers exist for the sole purpose to heal and nurture people. How exactly does death enter into the equation of maintaining life?

    There are various kinds of suicide. We can't criminal those individuals who attempt to take their own lives. Hold healthcare professionals to a higher standard, and keep from deviating from the goal of maintaining life. Then again the scenario of healthcare professionals aiding in suicide doesn't seem to harm anyone else; it's similar in that one aspect to prostitution and gay marriage. There's also the factor of cost; will it be cheaper to kill the person quickly, or let that person drag out their miserable and costly existence? But then, this is life we're talking about. Familiarity breeds consent; at what point do you think we'll go from assisted suicides to mandated euthanasia? Iirc, China has done the same sort of thing.

    Also, how many people here who are against assisted suicide have been in that horrible situation where, even with medicine, they're in excruciating pain. Every secnd, every minute, every hour, every day, and so on. How long do you reckon you'll maintain your stance before you break down and give into the pain? What happens when you've been crushed to the point of begging for death, and then find that people who once shared your beliefs, and are not feeling your pain... now decide your fate? Change your perspective, and the reality changes along with it; I doubt anyone here has experienced pain over a certain length of time that has reduced them to begging for death.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    While I believe that suicide is cowardly and wrong, and that those who do commit suicide will burn in hell according to Traditional Christianity, I acknowledge that this is America, and that not everyone is Christian. That said, I think people have the right to kill themselves. That only includes the person, not any other person to aid in the matter. For the healthcare professional it's unethical. These healthcare workers exist for the sole purpose to heal and nurture people. How exactly does death enter into the equation of maintaining life?

    There are various kinds of suicide. We can't criminal those individuals who attempt to take their own lives. Hold healthcare professionals to a higher standard, and keep from deviating from the goal of maintaining life. Then again the scenario of healthcare professionals aiding in suicide doesn't seem to harm anyone else; it's similar in that one aspect to prostitution and gay marriage. There's also the factor of cost; will it be cheaper to kill the person quickly, or let that person drag out their miserable and costly existence? But then, this is life we're talking about. Familiarity breeds consent; at what point do you think we'll go from assisted suicides to mandated euthanasia? Iirc, China has done the same sort of thing.

    Also, how many people here who are against assisted suicide have been in that horrible situation where, even with medicine, they're in excruciating pain. Every secnd, every minute, every hour, every day, and so on. How long do you reckon you'll maintain your stance before you break down and give into the pain? What happens when you've been crushed to the point of begging for death, and then find that people who once shared your beliefs, and are not feeling your pain... now decide your fate? Change your perspective, and the reality changes along with it; I doubt anyone here has experienced pain over a certain length of time that has reduced them to begging for death.
    As a Christian, do you believe those who suffer agonizing pain from a terminal disease will burn in hell after ending their own life?

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why does the decision need to be rational? Does an action need to be rational for it be taken? Does a action need to be understood by the people that practice it? I'm really sorry, but I don't see any difference here. I know you are into this whole thing, but rational or irrational behavior doesn't change the nature of the behavior. It is still the same behavior and it still falls under the right to control your body. When talking about wisdom of such a decision perhaps, but that is not really the same thing.



    The mentally ill have all the rights of anyone else. Just because they are unstable does not change it. It only changes how you view it, but that alone is not a factor. I understand your want to help them, but that doesn't matter.
    If someone is making a life altering decision like this based on faulty information/mental illness, I see no reason why anyone should assist them in doing it. If they WANT to do it, anyway, they certainly have that ability on their own, and plenty do.
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    As a Christian, do you believe those who suffer agonizing pain from a terminal disease will burn in hell after ending their own life?
    Yes I do. The Bible states in quite a few areas that suicide is a sin, because you vanquish the life that God gave you. That is what the Bible states, and I hold to that.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Yes I do. The Bible states in quite a few areas that suicide is a sin, because you vanquish the life that God gave you. That is what the Bible states, and I hold to that.
    I.m sure you also avoid mixed cloth and shellfish...and thinks its ok to sell your 12yr old daughter.

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    Re: Right to die

    Yep, every one of my dogs has gotten an easier exit than mine will probably be.

    Someday euthanasia will be legal...with physician assistance. That euthanasia should only be permitted if the person himself requests it.

    Even Christians should look at it differently...Christ himself, according to scripture, committed suicide. He certainly had the power NOT to be crucified and decided that's what he wanted to do.
    The devil whispered in my ear, "You cannot withstand the storm." I whispered back, "I am ​the storm."

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