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  • People have no right to die under any circumstance

    15 18.52%
  • Only terminally ill people have the right to die

    5 6.17%
  • People have the right to die, but healthcare professionals should not aid in the process

    11 13.58%
  • People have the right to die, and healthcare professionals should be allowed to assist suicide

    46 56.79%
  • Suicide attempts should not be a criminal offense

    26 32.10%
  • Suicide attempts should be illegal

    11 13.58%
  • other

    8 9.88%
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    "mental patient" includes those who have been suffering from debilitating depression / anxiety for years and it does not go away.

    People who have suffered for 20 years, people that have to take 17 pills a day, that can't get out of bed, that cry for one or two hours every day. People who are so debilitated by their disease that their quality of life sucks. We have this compassion for people with physical ailments, why not mental? They are just as debilitating. It's parity. There is no parity for mental health care because some people don't believe it is real, or that it can hurt just as much as physical ailments. There is no parity in caring for those will mental illness (which is another thread entirely). I would never advocate for compassionate suicide for someone suffering from something, as one person called "'curable' as guilt, shame, or a broken heart"
    dear taxigirl,depression and anxiety are not mental illness,but if it is a major depression,it may turn into a psychotic illness and that person may be called a mental patient.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    dear taxigirl,depression and anxiety are not mental illness,but if it is a major depression,it may turn into a psychotic illness and that person may be called a mental patient.
    You are attempting to say that depression and anxiety are not mental illness?

    Mental illness refers to a wide range of mental health conditions — disorders that affect your mood, thinking and behavior. Examples of mental illness include depression, anxiety disorders, schizophrenia, eating disorders and addictive behaviors.
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    In addition, The DSM IV does exactly what the quote below says it does. The DSM is the world's standard for diagnosing etc... of mental illness, mental disorder, psychiatric diseases, what ever you want to call them. If this not proof enough I suggest you look up Axis 1 297.1 Delusional Disorder.

    Psychiatric Diagnoses are categorized by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th. Edition. Better known as the DSM-IV, the manual is published by the American Psychiatric Association and covers all mental health disorders for both children and adults. It also lists known causes of these disorders, statistics in terms of gender, age at onset, and prognosis as well as some research concerning the optimal treatment approaches.

    Mental Health Professionals use this manual when working with patients in order to better understand their illness and potential treatment and to help 3rd party payers (e.g., insurance) understand the needs of the patient. The book is typically considered the ‘bible’ for any professional who makes psychiatric diagnoses in the United States and many other countries.
    Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM IV)

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    300 Anxiety Disorder, NOS
    311 Depressive Disorder NOS

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    You are attempting to say that depression and anxiety are not mental illness?


    Mental illness - MayoClinic.com

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    In addition, The DSM IV does exactly what the quote below says it does. The DSM is the world's standard for diagnosing etc... of mental illness, mental disorder, psychiatric diseases, what ever you want to call them. If this not proof enough I suggest you look up Axis 1 297.1 Delusional Disorder.


    Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM IV)

    Categories:
    300 Anxiety Disorder, NOS
    311 Depressive Disorder NOS
    i mean they are all different types and some of them are psychotic disturbances,for instance obsessive compulsive disorder may turn into schizophrenia ,and the second one is more dangerous and psychotic .a schizophrenic person is different from obsessive one.what we call them depends on which illness they have.
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    i mean they are all different types and some of them are psychotic disturbances,for instance obsessive compulsive disorder may turn into schizophrenia ,and the second one is more dangerous and psychotic .a schizophrenic person is different from obsessive one.what we call them depends on which illness they have.
    Yes, some are more serious. Some people are delusional, paranoid, psychotic and some have depression or agoraphobia or generalized anxiety and all of them can have a severe impact on your life. They don't all make you irrational all the time, which is my point about parity in compassion. Some of these illnesses are just as bad as physical illnesses.

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didnít have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, Iím allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and Iíve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I donít, before you know it, you wonít let me say nothing at all"
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Yes, some are more serious. Some people are delusional, paranoid, psychotic and some have depression or agoraphobia or generalized anxiety and all of them can have a severe impact on your life. They don't all make you irrational all the time, which is my point about parity in compassion. Some of these illnesses are just as bad as physical illnesses.
    yes i agree,taxigirl.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No it's not what I said. I said that just because a medical professional feels that it is a violation of their ethical code to assist in a suicide, does not mean that another medical professional will believe that it is against their ethics to assist in a suicide. The only way to assist in a suicide is if the person wants to die and makes that wish known, otherwise, it is murder, not suicide.
    Again, the provider that took the lives of those they were supposed to be caring for had no ethical problems with that. You say that the only way to assist is with permission. Why? Because this is your ethical standard? Your standard holds sway while others do not? What makes yours more important than that of others?

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    Re: Right to die

    Without reading any of the responses:

    If we have a right to life, then as adults we have a right to end our own lives. Now as to how to deal with that legally might present some problems. I believe that in order to take one's own life some kind of proceeding needs to be done where the person is witnessed by some kind of official as stating that they are making use of this option. This is simply to protect their right to life insofar as to not have someone murder them and then claim they wanted to die. As a rule I think that the action should only be performed by the person themselves, aiding materials not included. If they want to build a gallows, then I'm certainly not going to hold Home Depot accountable, and likewise I would not hold a doctor or pharmacist accountable for providing a given drug towards that end. With that, the law needs to be clear that neither the doctor nor pharmacist are required to provide that drug. Finally, there would need to be a legal exception for those who are physically incapable to doing so themselves and again they would have to be seen by an official of some sort (an NP should be sufficient) to be assured that they indeed want to die.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Without reading any of the responses:

    If we have a right to life, then as adults we have a right to end our own lives. Now as to how to deal with that legally might present some problems. I believe that in order to take one's own life some kind of proceeding needs to be done where the person is witnessed by some kind of official as stating that they are making use of this option.
    How can you claim that someone should have to oversee something that you say is a right? I have a right to free speech. I do not have to have an advocate around for me to excersise that right.

    This is simply to protect their right to life insofar as to not have someone murder them and then claim they wanted to die.
    How is this different than laws today? People kill others and then claim it was suicide.

    As a rule I think that the action should only be performed by the person themselves, aiding materials not included. If they want to build a gallows, then I'm certainly not going to hold Home Depot accountable, and likewise I would not hold a doctor or pharmacist accountable for providing a given drug towards that end. With that, the law needs to be clear that neither the doctor nor pharmacist are required to provide that drug. Finally, there would need to be a legal exception for those who are physically incapable to doing so themselves and again they would have to be seen by an official of some sort (an NP should be sufficient) to be assured that they indeed want to die.
    It's either a right or not. If it's a right, I do not need to get permission.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    So, I guess to you, compassion means killing someone against their own ethical and professional standards. Sorry, but I'm not in the business to kill anyone. Relieve suffering when I can, yes. Killing someone with an overdose, no. If that makes me less than compassionate in your own eyes, then so be it.
    I did not mean to seem insulting, and apologize if I came off as such. Compassion comes in many forms, and this issue is a very personal one.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No it's not what I said. I said that just because a medical professional feels that it is a violation of their ethical code to assist in a suicide, does not mean that another medical professional will believe that it is against their ethics to assist in a suicide. The only way to assist in a suicide is if the person wants to die and makes that wish known, otherwise, it is murder, not suicide.
    Regardless of how someone feels on the issue, we are all regulated by ethical and professional conduct codes. If a medical professional thinks it's okay to kill someone at their request, the professional would still be in violation of his own codes of behavior. I'm not suggesting that this couldn't hpapen, but it would be a violation on his/her part.
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