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  • People have no right to die under any circumstance

    15 18.52%
  • Only terminally ill people have the right to die

    5 6.17%
  • People have the right to die, but healthcare professionals should not aid in the process

    11 13.58%
  • People have the right to die, and healthcare professionals should be allowed to assist suicide

    46 56.79%
  • Suicide attempts should not be a criminal offense

    26 32.10%
  • Suicide attempts should be illegal

    11 13.58%
  • other

    8 9.88%
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    So...you would "Give her enough medication to relieve the pain", knowing full well she will die (as I stated that is the only way to do so)?
    That's not the way it works. With pain medication, you titrate up to get the desired effect. You don't arbitrarily go from 1 mg of morphine to a 10 mg dose. That would not only be stupid, but negligent as well.
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That's not the way it works. With pain medication, you titrate up to get the desired effect. You don't arbitrarily go from 1 mg of morphine to a 10 mg dose. That would not only be stupid, but negligent as well.
    My question again: "Question: If you are the doctor of a sweet and beautiful grandmother, who you have cared for over a month or so, to the point you love her. She is in extreme pain and you know full well anything stronger will either kill her or put her in a coma, but she looks in your eyes, pleading as she asks for the pain to end, and she is ready to pass.....

    What would you do?"


    As you can see, to relieve the Pain, she will die.

    I ask this because someone very close to me was in this position and forced to decide.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    My question again: "Question: If you are the doctor of a sweet and beautiful grandmother, who you have cared for over a month or so, to the point you love her. She is in extreme pain and you know full well anything stronger will either kill her or put her in a coma, but she looks in your eyes, pleading as she asks for the pain to end, and she is ready to pass.....

    What would you do?"




    As you can see, to relieve the Pain, she will die.

    I ask this because someone very close to me was in this position and forced to decide.
    I would do what is realistic, which is exactly what I said. Your hypothetical scenario isn't real-world- it's fantasy which you asked just to make a point.
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    My question again: "Question: If you are the doctor of a sweet and beautiful grandmother, who you have cared for over a month or so, to the point you love her. She is in extreme pain and you know full well anything stronger will either kill her or put her in a coma, but she looks in your eyes, pleading as she asks for the pain to end, and she is ready to pass.....

    What would you do?"


    As you can see, to relieve the Pain, she will die.

    I ask this because someone very close to me was in this position and forced to decide.
    This is a no-brainer. You give your loved one the pain medication needed to relieve his/her pain. Even your doctor will agree with that approach. If it is too much for his/her system, then it is a blessing. And you pat yourself on the back that you had the strength you needed to do the exact right thing.
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I would do what is realistic, which is exactly what I said. Your hypothetical scenario isn't real-world- it's fantasy which you asked just to make a point.

    No, I am asking to see if you would do the same as my *******************, and you would not. I can only hope I end up with someone a bit more compassionate.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    No, I am asking to see if you would do the same as my *******************, and you would not. I can only hope I end up with someone a bit more compassionate.
    So, I guess to you, compassion means killing someone against their own ethical and professional standards. Sorry, but I'm not in the business to kill anyone. Relieve suffering when I can, yes. Killing someone with an overdose, no. If that makes me less than compassionate in your own eyes, then so be it.
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Because mental illness inherently robs someone of the sound judgment necessary to make such a decision. As far as "what gives others the right to judge", it's the same thing that gives us the right to judge that kids can't smoke cigarettes: Kids who smoke cigarettes, like mentally ill people who want to kill themselves, generally aren't capable of making a rational decision and should therefore be protected from hurting themselves.
    Why should you be able to restrict the child's ability to do what they decides to do to their body? Because they don't understand? Again, why must you understand what you are doing to be able to practice your rights? Why is it needed?
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    No, I am asking to see if you would do the same as my *******************, and you would not. I can only hope I end up with someone a bit more compassionate.
    Be sure your Healthcare Power of Attorney is in place with you having picked a trusted friend/family member who you believe will understand and respect your wishes. It's the best any of us can do. My cousin is my HCPOA. I give her scenerios all the time...drive her absolutely nutz. But when the time comes, she'll do what I want her to do with no pangs of conscience -- because we've talked about it extensively. Heck, we've even had some pretty good laughs! I've also discussed my wishes with the rest of my family so there is absolutely no question about what I'd want. Last time I went to the hospital, I signed a DNR order for some surgery I was having done. The nurse was flabbergasted...and got a witness. But! No sweeter way to go, imo.
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why should you be able to restrict the child's ability to do what they decides to do to their body? Because they don't understand? Again, why must you understand what you are doing to be able to practice your rights? Why is it needed?
    Generally speaking, people who are not of sound mind are prohibited from self-harm because they may come to regret their actions once they have acquired (or re-acquired) the ability to make a rational decision.

    I'm a bit confused by your post. Are you suggesting that children SHOULD be allowed to smoke cigarettes if they want to?
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Generally speaking, people who are not of sound mind are prohibited from self-harm because they may come to regret their actions once they have acquired (or re-acquired) the ability to make a rational decision.
    That doesn't really mean much though. Why does it matter when talking about access to your rights if you regret it in the future?

    I'm a bit confused by your post. Are you suggesting that children SHOULD be allowed to smoke cigarettes if they want to?
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