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  • People have no right to die under any circumstance

    15 18.52%
  • Only terminally ill people have the right to die

    5 6.17%
  • People have the right to die, but healthcare professionals should not aid in the process

    11 13.58%
  • People have the right to die, and healthcare professionals should be allowed to assist suicide

    46 56.79%
  • Suicide attempts should not be a criminal offense

    26 32.10%
  • Suicide attempts should be illegal

    11 13.58%
  • other

    8 9.88%
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And I would say whether there was something ethically wrong with it would depend on whether the person wanted to die or not and whether or not the person actually was suffering.
    But you said that it doesn't matter whether something offends your personal ethics as long as it doesn't offend someone else's.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    There is a difference on doing absolutely everything to keep someone alive and actually taking their life. I believe we waste far too much money in trying to extend people's lives in general. That is a seperate arguement though.

    It is. Nobody can force you to undergo cancer treatement or something.

    They are gave this information.
    They are not always given all the information. Health care workers can be just as stubbornly set in their beliefs, particularly if they hope that they can make a person better despite the odds being against it.
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    Re: Right to die

    I think there should be some sort of stipulation for non-terminal requests for end-of-life procedures (i.e. psych evals, debt analysis, etc), but if you don't want to live who am I to force you?
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They are not always given all the information. Health care workers can be just as stubbornly set in their beliefs, particularly if they hope that they can make a person better despite the odds being against it.
    I can assure you that most of us in the medical professions are far more aware of the realities of terminal illness than you seem to believe. We treat those who want treatment with agressiveness, and when they don't want treatment, we understand, but we don't try to keep hopeless situations hanging on unless the patient and/or family desires this. It just adds to the suffering.
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I think there should be some sort of stipulation for non-terminal requests for end-of-life procedures (i.e. psych evals, debt analysis, etc), but if you don't want to live who am I to force you?
    Of course. Its not like we want people to be able to walk into some clinic and say "1 order to die please". In Oregon even terminal patients have to go through a screening process. It is a very delicate issue.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They are not always given all the information. Health care workers can be just as stubbornly set in their beliefs, particularly if they hope that they can make a person better despite the odds being against it.
    In these situations they are told the facts as known. Health care workers do not tell people with a 10% odds of survival to not worry, they will be healed.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    We shouldn't help because it is our professional standard to save life, not end it. As I said, passive measures are okay with me if people have stated that wish in written and legal form. Otherwise, if you want to die, at least take the responsibility to do it to yourself.
    Question: If you are the doctor of a sweet and beautiful grandmother, who you have cared for over a month or so, to the point you love her. She is in extreme pain and you know full well anything stronger will either kill her or put her in a coma, but she looks in your eyes, pleading as she asks for the pain to end, and she is ready to pass.....

    What would you do?

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Question: If you are the doctor of a sweet and beautiful grandmother, who you have cared for over a month or so, to the point you love her. She is in extreme pain and you know full well anything stronger will either kill her or put her in a coma, but she looks in your eyes, pleading as she asks for the pain to end, and she is ready to pass.....

    What would you do?
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Question: If you are the doctor of a sweet and beautiful grandmother, who you have cared for over a month or so, to the point you love her. She is in extreme pain and you know full well anything stronger will either kill her or put her in a coma, but she looks in your eyes, pleading as she asks for the pain to end, and she is ready to pass.....

    What would you do?
    Give her enough pain medication to relieve the pain. Pain medication doesn't put you into a coma. It will kill you if you get enough for that to happen.
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Give her enough pain medication to relieve the pain. Pain medication doesn't put you into a coma. It will kill you if you get enough for that to happen.
    So...you would "Give her enough medication to relieve the pain", knowing full well she will die (as I stated that is the only way to do so)?

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