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  • People have no right to die under any circumstance

    15 18.52%
  • Only terminally ill people have the right to die

    5 6.17%
  • People have the right to die, but healthcare professionals should not aid in the process

    11 13.58%
  • People have the right to die, and healthcare professionals should be allowed to assist suicide

    46 56.79%
  • Suicide attempts should not be a criminal offense

    26 32.10%
  • Suicide attempts should be illegal

    11 13.58%
  • other

    8 9.88%
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    People have the right to die, and healthcare professionals should be allowed to assist suicide.

    Because sometimes life isn't worth living, and when that happens we should let them go if that's what they want.

    Nobody can stop anyone from doing just that.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    I killed my dog. that was the hardest thing Ive ever done. My other dog, his buddy, died. And when he died, so do the one still living. he lost all will to live. For months, he barely ate. He wouldnt play any more. He was grieving, just as I was. But then he got cancer. The vet said it would slowly strangle him but as long as he was eating and drinking, I was to let him continue on. Wrong. I had anice chat with him one night. We wer laying on the floor....cuddling. And I whispered in his ear to tell me when he was ready. Did he want to be drugged up? no. Could he not stick around for ME, because losing both would kill my heart. Which was selfish. And he answered int he only way he could. He stared in my eyes. One day soon after that conversation, he couldnt get up without me helping him. And he looked at me. He drank. He ate a little bit. And continued to stare at me. And he shadowed me whenever he could get up on his own.The next morning, it was like I could hear him in my head. It was time. Let him go. He didnt want tobe here any more. He didnt want to strangle.He didnt want to have more pain. Why wait until he felt it so badly? Why? for ME? That, was selfish on my part. So I said ok. Today. And i called the vet who came to myhouse. I told him (my dog), he was going to go now. That his friend was waitng for him and I would be ok. To not be scared. And he as sent over rainbow bridge in my arms. Just as the needle was inserted, he looked at me again and laid his head down, sighed and laid still. As the plunger plunnged, I said "go. Hes waiting. wait for me, too. Ill be along shortly" and his eyes ticked up at me in gratitude. and he was gone. I cried for months. Hubby cried for months. And the day he was gone, the dragonflies came. Thousadns of them. He was letting me know he was fine. I did the right thing, before he suffered further.

    If only a human would do that for me.
    i'm so sorry for your loss. my parents experienced the same loss recently. you did the right thing.

    today i got to go with them to get a new kitten. i hope that it helps them to heal from the loss, and i hope that your healing is underway as well.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Wrong.

    If someone has a mental illness they should be admitted to a mental hospital. And get medication for it that they can afford. And have their treatment done by a universal health care system.
    Mental illnesses aren't always something obviously seen. Someone I considered a father figure recently committed suicide. He showed absolutely no signs of mental illness. He was the funniest, most happy man I ever met. All of a sudden he committed suicide. No note, no signs. He was texting a friend up until he did it. Joking and being himself. One of my dad's good friends from work did the same thing. Out of nowhere with no signs just committed suicide.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by cthomp View Post
    Mental illnesses aren't always something obviously seen. Someone I considered a father figure recently committed suicide. He showed absolutely no signs of mental illness. He was the funniest, most happy man I ever met. All of a sudden he committed suicide. No note, no signs. He was texting a friend up until he did it. Joking and being himself. One of my dad's good friends from work did the same thing. Out of nowhere with no signs just committed suicide.
    I'm sorry for your loss.

    That's why I think we should have a universal health care system for mental wellness. Because those illnesses don't give a **** how much money you earn, and by its very nature isn't something you can just will away. Mental illness can affect anyone, which is why anyone should be able to get the care they need to treat it.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    So this justifies denying people the right to agency in most cases?

    Even if they are mentally ill, the decision isn't always irrational. Some of them are basically living with an excruciating, untreatable disease.

    People have this really weird idea that most suicidal people just wake up one day and decide to kill themselves. That is so far from the truth you can't even see it on the horizon.
    I never said people shouldn't be denied the right to agency. I just think that they should be evaluated and possibly rehabilitated before such a drastic decision is made.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I'm sorry for your loss.

    That's why I think we should have a universal health care system for mental wellness. Because those illnesses don't give a **** how much money you earn, and by its very nature isn't something you can just will away. Mental illness can affect anyone, which is why anyone should be able to get the care they need to treat it.
    Its ok. However I disagree with the universal health care system but that is another debate belonging in another forum.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post

    Well, the thing with brain-dead people is that they cannot really make a decision to die, at that moment. It's usually up to the family/spouse, etc. I forgot the clinical term, but I believe there are orders a person can give that contains the person't orders should said person be put in a coma. Perhaps you have a point on that issue. If I am against assisted-suicide, it seems I would also have to be against the death of those in comas.
    So, it looks like you're faced with a conundrum. You can either remain ideologically consistent, or you can pick and choose.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    We've talked about this before, Kali. If someone is mentally ill, that precludes them from making a rational decision on whether they should live or die. If they are NOT mentally ill, I would have no problem with assisted suicide.



    Discrimination? Discriminating against the mentally ill for not allowing them to harm themselves? I doubt that the courts will do much with THAT.
    Don't I strike you as someone who can make good choices? I can and noticed that you did not address that there are varying levels of mental illness? In a case of someone like me? Yes. I could see it going to court. You simply cannot do this to people.
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why does the decision need to be rational? Does an action need to be rational for it be taken? Does a action need to be understood by the people that practice it? I'm really sorry, but I don't see any difference here. I know you are into this whole thing, but rational or irrational behavior doesn't change the nature of the behavior. It is still the same behavior and it still falls under the right to control your body. When talking about wisdom of such a decision perhaps, but that is not really the same thing.



    The mentally ill have all the rights of anyone else. Just because they are unstable does not change it. It only changes how you view it, but that alone is not a factor. I understand your want to help them, but that doesn't matter.
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Because mental illness inherently robs someone of the sound judgment necessary to make such a decision. As far as "what gives others the right to judge", it's the same thing that gives us the right to judge that kids can't smoke cigarettes: Kids who smoke cigarettes, like mentally ill people who want to kill themselves, generally aren't capable of making a rational decision and should therefore be protected from hurting themselves.
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