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Death Penalty

Should there be a death penalty?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 47.0%

  • No

    Votes: 45 38.5%

  • Under certain circumstances, please explain

    Votes: 17 14.5%
  • Total voters
    117
cthomp said:
What do you think of the death penalty.
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Any offence that warrants a prison sentence of 40 or more years, should instead be met with a death sentence, to be carried out within 365 days of the sentencing.

Additionally: rape, involuntary manslaughter caused by a drunk driver, and fraud involving more than $1M should also be met with the death penalty.

The method of execution should be changed from the electric chair, gas chamber and lethal injection, to the firing squad.
 
Jerry said:
Any offence that warrants a prison sentence of 40 or more years, should instead be met with a death sentence, to be carried out within 365 days of the sentencing.

Additionally: rape, involuntary manslaughter caused by a drunk driver, and fraud involving more than $1M should also be met with the death penalty.

The method of execution should be changed from the electric chair, gas chamber and lethal injection, to the firing squad.
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1. Agreed

2. Nope, to many rape cases she said he said...........Been drunk driving a few times in my life. No accident but there for the grace of God

3. Don't care how you kill them, just kill them
 
Navy Pride said:
Been drunk driving a few times in my life. No accident but there for the grace of God
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Such a pity that the innocents killed by drunk drivers don't receive the Grace of God.
 
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Navy Pride said:
One thing you gotta say no matter how you feel about this scum is it sure as hell deters the guy that might have raped and murdered your wife or sister...........He is dead........he will never do it again........he is deterred........

On another note there have actually been cases of criminals moving to states that don't have the death penalty to rape and murder your wife or mother.....They know they can only get life and some Liberal judge down the road will let them out to rape and murder someone elses wife or mother.................think about it.......
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...and when we convict and execute the wrong person, the REAL CRIMINAL is still free to rape or murder your wife or sister and mother. Freely, because the police think they got the right person and aren't even looking for the real criminal anymore. Think about it.

I can whip in some emotionalism to stir up sentiment, all while making a point, also. :roll:
 
The death penalty is the ultimate punishment for which there is no reversal if the offender is innocent. Justice is blind, and in a blind system I do not think it's right to put people who could be potentially innocent to death even when they are convicted.
 
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Navy Pride said:
2. Nope, to many rape cases she said he said...
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A conviction requires evidence, not hearsay, especially when applying the scrutiny levels which go along with capitol punishment.

Navy Pride said:
...........Been drunk driving a few times in my life.
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I have no heart for drunk drivers. Execute them all on-site: waiting for trial is a compromise.

Navy Pride said:
3. Don't care how you kill them, just kill them
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The fireing squad eliminates all the red-tape and controversy around the various chemicals used in lethal injection and gas, the pain debate about electrocution.
 
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Jerry said:
A conviction requires evidence, not hearsay, especially when applying the scrutiny levels which go along with capitol punishment.



I have no heart for drunk drivers. Execute them all on-site: waiting for trial is a compromise.



The fireing squad eliminates all the red-tape and controversy around the various chemicals used in lethal injection and gas, the pain debate about electrocution.
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Another poster in favor of draconian laws and punishment!

You're also against the principles of this nation's constitution. In my mind, that is un-American.
 
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Mensch said:
Another poster in favor of draconian laws and punishment!

You're also against the principles of this nation's constitution. In my mind, that is un-American.
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In your opinion.
 
Jerry said:
A conviction requires evidence, not hearsay, especially when applying the scrutiny levels which go along with capitol punishment.



I have no heart for drunk drivers. Execute them all on-site: waiting for trial is a compromise.



The fireing squad eliminates all the red-tape and controversy around the various chemicals used in lethal injection and gas, the pain debate about electrocution.
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Wow your dictatorship view could never be any shinier.
 
Jerry said:
In your opinion.
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I would think most Americans would agree with that opinion. If you stand against the founding principles of this country, how patriotic can you be? Simply wearing a uniform and fighting in battle doesn't automatically make you patriotic, IMHO.
 
Mensch said:
Simply wearing a uniform and fighting in battle doesn't automatically make you patriotic, IMHO.
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It's a hell of a lot better than self-righteously pounding on a keyboard about the evils of the system your fellow compatriots have chosen.
 
Meathead said:
It's a hell of a lot better than self-righteously pounding on a keyboard about the evils of the system your fellow compatriots have chosen.
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Perhaps I'm misreading you.

Am I the one self-righteously pounding on a keyboard about the evils of the system my fellow compatriots have chosen?

If so, then I disagree. I am not acting self-righteous, but rather standing up for ideals upon which this country was founded. The draconian stop-and-execute proposal pushed forward by Jerry and others is about as evil as any third world dictatorship.

As for wearing the uniform and fighting a battle, my point still stands. If you still disagree, think of Benedict Arnold. Though I am not trying to equate Jerry to B. Arnold, it is evidence alone to prove that wearing a uniform and going into battle is not sufficient enough to be pro-American. Otherwise, you would have to consider Arnold and the thousands of deserters to be patriotic as well.

The bottom line is that Jerry is simultaneously fighting for this country over there while fighting against the basic foundation over here.
 
Mensch said:
Perhaps I'm misreading you.

Am I the one self-righteously pounding on a keyboard about the evils of the system my fellow compatriots have chosen?

If so, then I disagree. I am not acting self-righteous, but rather standing up for ideals upon which this country was founded. The draconian stop-and-execute proposal pushed forward by Jerry and others is about as evil as any third world dictatorship.

As for wearing the uniform and fighting a battle, my point still stands. If you still disagree, think of Benedict Arnold. Though I am not trying to equate Jerry to B. Arnold, it is evidence alone to prove that wearing a uniform and going into battle is not sufficient enough to be pro-American. Otherwise, you would have to consider Arnold and the thousands of deserters to be patriotic as well.

The bottom line is that Jerry is simultaneously fighting for this country over there while fighting against the basic foundation over here.
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Please, stop with the Benedict Arnold bit, that's bush league. I've little doubt that you see yourself at the vanguard of American patriotism for highly convoluted reasons, but the only thing that comes through here is that you're equating your own moral code as patriotic while questioning the patriotism of those who serve and fight. It is a thoroughly unconvincing argument.

Having said that, I do not agree with Jerry nor do I think he was serious though I could be wrong. Still, I find your argument to be self-righteous in that our constitution does not prohibit capital punishment, unlike those which are part and parcel of Western European constitutions. You are not at liberty to interpret the constitution for the rest of us who chose to support the ultimate penalty for horrendous crimes.
 
Meathead said:
Please, stop with the Benedict Arnold bit, that's bush league. I've little doubt that you see yourself at the vanguard of American patriotism for highly convoluted reasons, but the only thing that comes through here is that you're equating your own moral code as patriotic while questioning the patriotism of those who serve and fight. It is a thoroughly unconvincing argument.
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It is simply not. Again, serving your country in an armed conflict is not sufficient by itself to be considered patriotism. Nor does it automatically put those who serve above the rest of the citizenry in terms of national loyalty. If you serve and, in addition to serving, you also remain true to the ideals of this country, then you are undoutably patriotic. But yet those who serve and later turn against this country are not patriotic. Benedict Arnold is the perfect example, as are the thousands of deserters. Also, Jerry went against the fundamental ideals of this country laid out in the founding documents. That means he is ideologically opposed to this country's moral foundation. That is not exactly patriotic, in my book. Maybe you give him a pass for wearing the uniform. But I don't.

Having said that, I do not agree with Jerry nor do I think he was serious though I could be wrong. Still, I find your argument to be self-righteous in that our constitution does not prohibit capital punishment, unlike those which are part and parcel of Western European constitutions. You are not at liberty to interpret the constitution for the rest of us who chose to support the ultimate penalty for horrendous crimes.
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Ask him yourself. I don't think he was joking.

First of all, there is a solid constitutional argument against the death penalty, but that was not my point. If you read Jerry's statement before you decided to bash me for denouncing his patriotism, you would see that he wants to execute drunk drivers on the spot. That is ABSOLUTELY anti-constitution and anti-American.
 
Mensch said:
Perhaps I'm misreading you.

Am I the one self-righteously pounding on a keyboard about the evils of the system my fellow compatriots have chosen?

If so, then I disagree. I am not acting self-righteous, but rather standing up for ideals upon which this country was founded. The draconian stop-and-execute proposal pushed forward by Jerry and others is about as evil as any third world dictatorship.

As for wearing the uniform and fighting a battle, my point still stands. If you still disagree, think of Benedict Arnold. Though I am not trying to equate Jerry to B. Arnold, it is evidence alone to prove that wearing a uniform and going into battle is not sufficient enough to be pro-American. Otherwise, you would have to consider Arnold and the thousands of deserters to be patriotic as well.

The bottom line is that Jerry is simultaneously fighting for this country over there while fighting against the basic foundation over here.
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I made 1 post in an online discussion forums, and to you that constitutes an all-out campaign.

People word their posts so as to vent a lot of the time. Don't take everything you read at face value. Criminals get away with a lot of crap and our system is very inefficient.

So calm down bro. Take a breath.
 
Jerry said:
I made 1 post in an online discussion forums, and to you that constitutes an all-out campaign.

People word their posts so as to vent a lot of the time. Don't take everything you read at face value. Criminals get away with a lot of crap and our system is very inefficient.

So calm down bro. Take a breath.
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In a online discussion forum, as with text messaging, subtle jokes are sometimes hard to catch. From the first-hand reading your original post, it sounded like you were serious about executing drunk drivers at the scene without a trial. Personally, I don't find it funny if it was a joke. I am able to laugh at a dark side of humor, but not something along those lines.

If you're willing to retract your statement, I'm willing to retract mine. But as long as those sentiments are retained, you cannot be considered a friend to the U.S. constitution and by extension, the USofA.
 
Mensch said:
In a online discussion forum, as with text messaging, subtle jokes are sometimes hard to catch. From the first-hand reading your original post, it sounded like you were serious about executing drunk drivers at the scene without a trial. Personally, I don't find it funny if it was a joke. I am able to laugh at a dark side of humor, but not something along those lines.

If you're willing to retract your statement, I'm willing to retract mine. But as long as those sentiments are retained, you cannot be considered a friend to the U.S. constitution and by extension, the USofA.
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DebatePolitics.com only allows members in my 'permission group' 25 minutes to edit/delete a post, so my statement will remain posted forever. Besides, that is still how I feel about it, so there's no reason why I would 'retract' anything unless you want me to lie. The truth is, if you drive drunk, you're a piece of **** who needs to be put down. Public policy will never reflect that, but that's how I feel about it regardless. That's not meant to be a 'joke', I'm not looking4lulz, that's my view on the subject. I have no love for drunk drivers.

I do believe the law should be changed to make the firing squad the preferred form of execution. It's humane, cheap, and far less controversy around the method itself (leaving only the controversy regarding execution per-se).
 
StillBallin75 said:
Which are not fool-proof when it comes to preventing the execution of innocents, as the evidence indicates.
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nothing in life is guaranteed. In the case of serial killers, and mass murderers (i.e. spree killers) you know when you got the right guy. Cannibals, people that mutilate the corpses of their victims, and other crazies like that are also pretty apparent. I'm all for shooting looters and rioters during a time of disaster, and executing those guilty of treason and espionage as well.
 
Lokiate said:
nothing in life is guaranteed. In the case of serial killers, and mass murderers (i.e. spree killers) you know when you got the right guy. Cannibals, people that mutilate the corpses of their victims, and other crazies like that are also pretty apparent. I'm all for shooting looters and rioters during a time of disaster, and executing those guilty of treason and espionage as well.
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Spies being executed? I disagree with that since we're known for stealing information from other countries on a monthly basis. It's hypocritical to kill spies because they stole secrets that we stole from another country.
 
Michael Johnson said:
Which can be easily corrupted.
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Everything can be corrupted. Psychotic killers need to die, because they will not stop until they are stopped. Whether it's bullets on-site, or via the gas chamber, it matters not to me.



Sorry but we need more than that.
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What would that be?
 
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