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Death Penalty

Should there be a death penalty?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 47.0%
  • No

    Votes: 45 38.5%
  • Under certain circumstances, please explain

    Votes: 17 14.5%

  • Total voters
    117
He is the gov't appointed judge.
You call yourself a libertarian? HA! So, you being a libertarian, I would imagine you believe in the states right, vice the federal gov't, to introduce and pass legislation on abortion. Should we kill abortion doctors for killing babies? Just to keep you from turning this into a "when is the fetus viable" argument, lets say on partial birth abortions. Should we kill the doc?

If you will note, I said I support the death penalty for a murder who is NO DOUBT guilty, and I favor quick and expedient death. Libertarian doesn't mean that I support the rights of guilty killers to live.

As for your question on abortion- you would be wrong. I am pro-choice.
 
If you will note, I said I support the death penalty for a murder who is NO DOUBT guilty, and I favor quick and expedient death. Libertarian doesn't mean that I support the rights of guilty killers to live.

As for your question on abortion- you would be wrong. I am pro-choice.


So am I and I am not just a libertarian, but I am a libertarian anarchical communist... :lamo
 
No, but I think your view of the very demented proven dangerous people on punishment is off target, that's all no biggie. :peace

Yeah, nor worries man. You join the ranks of a lot of other people who think the gov't is looking out for their best interests.
What is capital "punishment" anyway? Is that really a punishment? What's the difference in killing someone or locking them away forever? Do you ever see them again? Do you run into them on the street if you don't kill them? No, you don't. So, capital "punishment" is nothing more than an automaton like you's solution because you and people like you have the childish mindset of "well......he did it first!"
 
Yeah, nor worries man. You join the ranks of a lot of other people who think the gov't is looking out for their best interests.
What is capital "punishment" anyway? Is that really a punishment? What's the difference in killing someone or locking them away forever? Do you ever see them again? Do you run into them on the street if you don't kill them? No, you don't. So, capital "punishment" is nothing more than an automaton like you's solution because you and people like you have the childish mindset of "well......he did it first!"
Sour Grapes,my friend.


No both ways they die and both ways punish.

No I don't think the government watches out for me that's why I worked hard so far through life.

That's also why I think Patty Wetterling did such a great job. Because if she didn't do it the government surely wasn't. Don't you read anything that I posted or do you just skim through it trying to find something to spin.
 
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If you will note, I said I support the death penalty for a murder who is NO DOUBT guilty, and I favor quick and expedient death. Libertarian doesn't mean that I support the rights of guilty killers to live.

As for your question on abortion- you would be wrong. I am pro-choice.

Well, I guess no argument can reach the unwilling listener huh? Especially one who says that they support the death penalty for a murderer who is "NO DOUBT guilty". What is NO DOUBT guilty anyway? Is there a DOUBTFUL guilty, a PROBABLE guilty, a MOST LIKELY guilty? That makes no sense whatsoever. In addition, how can you be pro-choice and pro-death penalty? A doctor who performs a partial birth abortion has just killed a living, breathing person. Like I said, to avoid the "viable fetus" argument we'll use partial birth. Is that Doctor "NO DOUBT" guilty now?
 
No both ways they die and both ways punish.
So what difference does it make if they die years later in a cell or right now? You never see them again either way, right?
 
So what difference does it make if they die years later in a cell or right now? You never see them again either way, right?

Why must you think that they must sit there for years? Do you get some sick satisfaction on watching these prison shows as these guys scale the walls with insanity?

I can answer with questions too.

Besides this whole thing is being said by a guy with a avie with "I kill" on it, that doesn't kill... I see your view.
Oxymoron I think is what that is called. :2wave:
 
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Why must you think that they must sit there for years? Do you get some sick satisfaction on watching these prison shows as these guys scale the walls with insanity?

So, you accuse me of spin and then try to turn this into some kind judgement that I am sick for wanting to keep people alive? Lol, this may be the weakest attempt at deflection I've seen in awhile. You can't answer the question so you try to make it sound like I am the sicko. The guy that wants to keep people alive is the sicko. The guy that wants to keep people alive is the sicko and being called that by the guy who wants to kill people. Hilarious. Admit you don't really know why you believe in capital punishment.
 
So, you accuse me of spin and then try to turn this into some kind judgement that I am sick for wanting to keep people alive? Lol, this may be the weakest attempt at deflection I've seen in awhile. You can't answer the question so you try to make it sound like I am the sicko. The guy that wants to keep people alive is the sicko. The guy that wants to keep people alive is the sicko and being called that by the guy who wants to kill people. Hilarious. Admit you don't really know why you believe in capital punishment.

I believe in it as the same as you do as you engage in battle with the enemy.
 
So, you accuse me of spin and then try to turn this into some kind judgement that I am sick for wanting to keep people alive? Lol, this may be the weakest attempt at deflection I've seen in awhile. You can't answer the question so you try to make it sound like I am the sicko. The guy that wants to keep people alive is the sicko. The guy that wants to keep people alive is the sicko and being called that by the guy who wants to kill people. Hilarious. Admit you don't really know why you believe in capital punishment.

Why don't you believe in capital punishment?
 
Why don't you believe in capital punishment?

Because when you go to war and engage in the enemy and kill with no trial it is justified killing afforded to you by your government, but to kill a guy that raped your little girl that had a trial it isn't justified.

Pretty messed up wouldn't you say?
 
Should we have the death penalty? No.

Does it even register among the top 50 worst problems in our criminal justice system? No. The death penalty affects maybe a few hundred people a year. On the other hand, there are millions of Americans who are locked in cages for years on end, many for victimless crimes, who are subjected to state-sanctioned rape and sexual slavery on a daily basis. I consider *that* a far more egregious human rights abuse in our criminal justice system than the death penalty is. The whole death penalty debate is, at best, a distraction from the greater problem of our entire criminal justice system.
 
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I believe in it as the same as you do as you engage in battle with the enemy.

Two reasons you argument falls flat.
1) Defense of the country is not a pre-meditated murder. It is defense, a totally different reason to kill than just killing someone because you think they did something bad enough to deserve it.
2) Killing someone on the battlefield is in defense of yourself. Its kill or be killed. In capital punishment, the act has already been committed, the perpetrator has been aprehended, he is of no danger to anyone anymore, and can be locked away for the rest of his or her life without posing danger to anyone ever again.

Again, you still can't state why you believe it is better to execute someone vice put them in a cell for life. You can't do it because there is no logical reason for it. You believe it just because you do. Whether its your upbringing, culture of your surroundings, political party, you just believe it for no reason. This isn't your personal faith. That's something you can believe just because you do and no one else can understand it. This is a logic driven decision. Not a belief.
 
Because when you go to war and engage in the enemy and kill with no trial it is justified killing afforded to you by your government, but to kill a guy that raped your little girl that had a trial it isn't justified.

Pretty messed up wouldn't you say?

If someone were to rape my child I would want to kill that person, but at the same time that is not legal. If that person who raped my child also killed them the murderer should receive capital punishment.
 
Two reasons you argument falls flat.
1) Defense of the country is not a pre-meditated murder. It is defense, a totally different reason to kill than just killing someone because you think they did something bad enough to deserve it.
2) Killing someone on the battlefield is in defense of yourself. Its kill or be killed. In capital punishment, the act has already been committed, the perpetrator has been aprehended, he is of no danger to anyone anymore, and can be locked away for the rest of his or her life without posing danger to anyone ever again.

Again, you still can't state why you believe it is better to execute someone vice put them in a cell for life. You can't do it because there is no logical reason for it. You believe it just because you do. Whether its your upbringing, culture of your surroundings, political party, you just believe it for no reason. This isn't your personal faith. That's something you can believe just because you do and no one else can understand it. This is a logic driven decision. Not a belief.


jaja, ain't that a government justified killing?

refer to post 111, I already killed that angle...
 
Why don't you believe in capital punishment?

I don't believe in capital punishment because I don't believe us, as human beings, have a right to make a cold, calculated decision to end another human beings life strictly because we think they deserve it. As I said to another poster, a person standing trial is of no threat to anyone, anymore. He is apprehended. Therefore it ceases to be self-defense or for the good of society. It turns into vengeance at that point.
 
I don't believe in capital punishment because I don't believe us, as human beings, have a right to make a cold, calculated decision to end another human beings life strictly because we think they deserve it. As I said to another poster, a person standing trial is of no threat to anyone, anymore. He is apprehended. Therefore it ceases to be self-defense or for the good of society. It turns into vengeance at that point.

True. This is the good ol' debate between what constitutes justice, and whether it overlaps with revenge, and which of the two is acceptable, if either.
 
If someone were to rape my child I would want to kill that person, but at the same time that is not legal. If that person who raped my child also killed them the murderer should receive capital punishment.

Do yourself a favor and the next time you hear of a disappearance and search parties are needed, volunteer for it if you can, you will never loose that perspective, especially when you hear they found the victim dead.

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I went out on searches when this happened, though far from were they actually found her. Today I can say that I helped in something that may not have been good in the end, but the family could move forward towards finding the truth brought out by a court of law with due process, good riddance.
 
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jaja, ain't that a government justified killing?

refer to post 111, I already killed that angle...

No, its me trying to save my own life. Would you rather I stand there and get shot in the face? Or, would you rather be speaking another language now because all the servicemen prior to me laid down their arms so to fit your ridiculous scenario? Once again, a poster who doesn't know why he believes what he believes so he attacks another's beliefs or character. You should run for office. You're very good at deflecting.
 
I don't believe in capital punishment because I don't believe us, as human beings, have a right to make a cold, calculated decision to end another human beings life strictly because we think they deserve it. As I said to another poster, a person standing trial is of no threat to anyone, anymore. He is apprehended. Therefore it ceases to be self-defense or for the good of society. It turns into vengeance at that point.

I think we can agree to disagree and I appreciate that you answered my question. I have found that some on this forum will not answer questions but twist the questions and accuse others.
 
Do yourself a favor and the next time you hear of a disappearance and search parties are needed, volunteer for it if you can, you will never loose that perspective, especially when you hear they found the victim dead.

How about this one. How about the time a jihadist killed two of my buddies, one of which's brain where still on my pants, and I had to give that same jihadist medical treatment for the gun shot wound I put in his shoulder defending myself. Unlike you, I have run into these scenario's you non-chalantly paint in order to try and justify your lack of depth in your beliefs. Guess what I did in that situation. The civilized thing that we as the best country in the world do. I patched him up and carried him to an awaiting Blackhawk to be medevac'd to a surgical facility.
 
I think we can agree to disagree and I appreciate that you answered my question. I have found that some on this forum will not answer questions but twist the questions and accuse others.

No worries. See barbarian style for your last statement.
 
No, its me trying to save my own life. Would you rather I stand there and get shot in the face? Or, would you rather be speaking another language now because all the servicemen prior to me laid down their arms so to fit your ridiculous scenario? Once again, a poster who doesn't know why he believes what he believes so he attacks another's beliefs or character. You should run for office. You're very good at deflecting.

Have your government justify it anyway you think it helps.
 
How about this one. How about the time a jihadist killed two of my buddies, one of which's brain where still on my pants, and I had to give that same jihadist medical treatment for the gun shot wound I put in his shoulder defending myself. Unlike you, I have run into these scenario's you non-chalantly paint in order to try and justify your lack of depth in your beliefs. Guess what I did in that situation. The civilized thing that we as the best country in the world do. I patched him up and carried him to an awaiting Blackhawk to be medevac'd to a surgical facility.

So what your saying is that there is time for government killings, I do too that is my point. Thank you for your service it really is appreciated, as I too have a son in the service and has been 2 tours in Afghanistan.
 
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