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Death Penalty

Should there be a death penalty?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 47.0%
  • No

    Votes: 45 38.5%
  • Under certain circumstances, please explain

    Votes: 17 14.5%

  • Total voters
    117
It is a violation of the 8th Amendment to put anyone to death. It is a violation of due process to eliminate the appellate system.

How is having two trials an elimination of the appellate system?

How many innocent people have been saved from execution because of the appellate system?

How many innocent people, especially guards and other inmates, have been killed because we allow these violent criminals to keep breathing the same air as others?
 
Thats a reason for prison reform, not executions.

We don't need to break the constitution in order to build a better prison. Executing criminals will not (and has not) make the job any easier for the guards. It will not prevent attacks. It will not prevent escapes of dangerous criminals.

Until then we best keep the DP around and utilize it, at higher standard say like for guys like, McVeigh...
 
How is having two trials an elimination of the appellate system?

What are you talking about? The appellate system simply reviews the trial to ensure the law was carried out. A new trial is not awarded unless there is new evidence/testimony. I noticed you sidestepped the 8th Amendment point.


How many innocent people, especially guards and other inmates, have been killed because we allow these violent criminals to keep breathing the same air as others?

Answering a question with a question? That wins the debate!

How would facilitating the execution of more criminals reduce the danger of corrections? How many people are you trying to kill?

As I told barbarian, we could do a lot to prevent escape and murder/violence by making serious prison reforms, not by making heads roll.
 
Until then we best keep the DP around and utilize it, at higher standard say like for guys like, McVeigh...

How about we implement the prison reforms NOW and eliminate the DP NOW in order to adhere to a constitutional justice system which is not only effective but also righteous?
 
How would facilitating the execution of more criminals reduce the danger of corrections? How many people are you trying to kill?

Only the guilty ones.
 
Only the guilty ones.

You do realize that convicted murderers on death row are not the only ones attacking guards?

Though I don't have any statistics, I would imagine the men on death row are probably more docile than general population.

You didn't answer my questions nor respond to any of my points. FAIL.
 
I think the Death Penalty is requested far more often than it should be, even in circumstantial cases, and is too often used as a bullying tactic to get concessions from the defendant.

The Death Penalty should be rare, and it's not. There should be incontravertable proof, bodies in the freezer, items from victims found in the defendants house, DNA evidence, etc. There should be more than one murder involved... serial killers, mass murders should be eligible for the Death Penalty, not the who commited a single armed robbery that went bad. Did y'all know that the average prison time for a man who kills his SO is 7 years? Kill a stranger, face the Death Penalty.

Yeah. Our justice system is flawed as hell, and mis-use of the Death Penalty is part and parcel of it.

What she said.
 
How about we implement the prison reforms NOW and eliminate the DP NOW in order to adhere to a constitutional justice system which is not only effective but also righteous?

If the world was perfect, but we will not see that am afraid for at least another century, and not sure if you will even see it then. Not after seeing the lynching they gave Saddam in the end, we would have at least carried it out with little more dignity and humane. At least I can say we aren't that savage in the U.S., sorry but that just didn't quite seem right to me after going through that lengthy process.
 
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Well, I for one think it's hilarious that when you talk to a lot of conservatives they will tell you they are pro-life and then, in the next sentence, tell you they are pro capital punishment. If we can't take a life in the beginning, what makes it better later on? Would I love to just execute child molestors, murderers, and rapists? Sure I would. But, as a pro-lifer, I can't hold a double standard. It's God's place to take life, no matter when it is taken.

Not a double standard. Protecting innocent life versus holding guilty people accountable. Abortion is never fair or just in the fact that the life is unfairly lost without any just cause. While the death penalty evokes sorrow, a criminal has brought consequences upon him/herself through choices. It is at this point where it is necessary to uphold justice and in extreme cases the result is and should be death.
 
I vigorously oppose the death penalty, but not for some bull**** humanitarian reason. The death penalty offers a quick and painless out of the misery that's called prison for them. Life in prison is much, much worse than anything the death penalty can offer. 24 hours in solitary confinement, no parole, for the rest of the life, with no TV, radio, or any of the pleasures many people so desperately needs. Hard labor for at least more than 10 hours, terrible conditions, rats and roaches everyday. That's much more deserving punishment for inhumane scum than the painless and quick thing called the death penalty. Plus, it will be cheaper, in the US
 
I vigorously oppose the death penalty, but not for some bull**** humanitarian reason. The death penalty offers a quick and painless out of the misery that's called prison for them. Life in prison is much, much worse than anything the death penalty can offer. 24 hours in solitary confinement, no parole, for the rest of the life, with no TV, radio, or any of the pleasures many people so desperately needs. Hard labor for at least more than 10 hours, terrible conditions, rats and roaches everyday. That's much more deserving punishment for inhumane scum than the painless and quick thing called the death penalty. Plus, it will be cheaper, in the US


I heard that many times and that isn't the way the spend their years in prison.

barbarian_style thinking said:
jeez when you put it like that it sounds cruel to house people like that... now you make me feel bad about my views of putting them down.
 
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jeez when you put it like that it sounds cruel to house people like that... now you make me feel bad about my views of putting them down.

Sorry, I'm blunt and prone on details. That's really my view of it. It also offers a chance of rehabilitiation, and one doesn't have to live with the guilt of killing a potentially innocent person
 
I support the death penalty in cases of murder when there is absolutely no doubt about the guilt of the accused murderer. I don't support prolonged and repeated appeals in these cases. I don't support the death penalty for criminals who did not commit murder, regardless of the nature of the crime.
 
The death penalty offers a quick and painless out of the misery that's called prison for them. Life in prison is much, much worse than anything the death penalty can offer. 24 hours in solitary confinement, no parole, for the rest of the life, with no TV, radio, or any of the pleasures many people so desperately needs.

To the bolded: Not in this country. Otherwise, we wouldn't see such a high rate of repeat offenses, reconviction, and reimprisonment after release. I am not sadistic. I do not wish to see a murderer suffer for years, when the just punishment for his crime could be expedient death.
 
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To the bolded: Not in this country. Otherwise, we wouldn't see such a high rate of repeat offenses, reconviction, and reimprisonment after release.

Exactly, lots of people specifically commit crimes because they have a better life in prison than they would on the outside. Prison ought to be a living hell, somewhere nobody would ever want to go, certainly never more than once. I think that anyone in prison ought to spend all of their time doing one of three things: sleeping, getting an education and working hard. Free time ought to be minimal, certainly nobody ought to have more than an hour or so a day to sit around and watch TV or lift weights. You ought to go to bed exhausted every night. Prison isn't a bloody theme park, it's punishment.
 
Sorry, I'm blunt and prone on details. That's really my view of it. It also offers a chance of rehabilitiation, and one doesn't have to live with the guilt of killing a potentially innocent person

I like the sour that comes off the way it is said, understand that when I say people like Donald Blom should face the DP I really mean it.

Make sure that others understand that this is unacceptable behavior. :2mad::2mad::2mad:

If you ever want to find Jacob Wetterling you got the guy you need to talk to right here, donald blom .

Sad part is this sick asshole burnt his victims in a huge fire pit to dispose of the bodies that sick prick and Jacob will never be found because of this! Good Job Patty_Wetterlingfor your great foundation and years of service! Jacob Wetterling Resource Center
 
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Not a double standard. Protecting innocent life versus holding guilty people accountable. Abortion is never fair or just in the fact that the life is unfairly lost without any just cause. While the death penalty evokes sorrow, a criminal has brought consequences upon him/herself through choices. It is at this point where it is necessary to uphold justice and in extreme cases the result is and should be death.

Who gave us the authority to end someone's life in that deliberate of a manner? I'm not one of these guys who thinks we should reform these creeps. I think they should be locked in a cell by themselves for the rest of their life. But I also do not believe some gov't appointed official can send me to my maker. Who is he to sentence me to death?
 
Who gave us the authority to end someone's life in that deliberate of a manner? I'm not one of these guys who thinks we should reform these creeps. I think they should be locked in a cell by themselves for the rest of their life. But I also do not believe some gov't appointed official can send me to my maker. Who is he to sentence me to death?

It's not about who *he* is, but it's about punishment that fits the crime. When you kill another, imo you forfeit your right to life.
 
It's not about who *he* is, but it's about punishment that fits the crime. When you kill another, imo you forfeit your right to life.

He is the gov't appointed judge.
You call yourself a libertarian? HA! So, you being a libertarian, I would imagine you believe in the states right, vice the federal gov't, to introduce and pass legislation on abortion. Should we kill abortion doctors for killing babies? Just to keep you from turning this into a "when is the fetus viable" argument, lets say on partial birth abortions. Should we kill the doc?
 
Who gave us the authority to end someone's life in that deliberate of a manner? I'm not one of these guys who thinks we should reform these creeps. I think they should be locked in a cell by themselves for the rest of their life. But I also do not believe some gov't appointed official can send me to my maker. Who is he to sentence me to death?

We the People did and til the law changes it's they way of the land. I don't see it changing anytime soon and as long as you don't do something way out weird and stupid no one will sentence you to death. Pretty simple, live by the current law that could net you such punishment and you should be in good shape! :)
 
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We the People did and til the law changes it's they way of the land. I don't see it changing anytime soon and as long as you don't do something way out weird and stupid no one will sentence you to death. Pretty simple, live by the current law and you should be in good shape! :)

In other words, stay in line or the gov't will kill you. Good, got it. Are you about due to get the batteries changed on your gov't issued tracking chip that is inserted in your forehead btw?
 
In other words, stay in line or the gov't will kill you. :spin: Good, got it. Are you about due to get the batteries changed on your gov't issued tracking chip that is inserted in your forehead btw?

No, but I think your view of the very demented proven dangerous people on punishment is off target, that's all no biggie. :peace
 
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