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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by barbarian_style View Post
    So what your saying is this we should house these type of dangerous people for another 40 years to see if he won't maybe kill another person, like a guard? No that is not protecting the innocent IMO, these type of dangerous people will continue to be a threat.
    It is possible to avoid guard murders through effective prison reform and proper staffing. There are many violent criminals who pose a threat to guards, but we can't kill them all. And we should follow the constitution. Too many innocent people have been put to death.

    Look some dogs bite but are not put to sleep, great that is fine. There does come a time that no matter how much you loved Old Yeller you knew it was best it ended the way it did.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by barbarian_style View Post
    Yes, states have been seen abusing this power and it should be stifled at state levels.

    Thanks for the clarification!
    While I am not familiar with State vs. Federal prosecution in DP cases and I did not mean to refer to States as opposed to Fed, you're welcome.

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    If the State used rape as a punishment, I think that would encourage rape.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It has nothing to do with the Bill of Rights. They had their trial by a jury of their peers. In fact, they had two of them. They were found guilty twice. How many times, at taxpayer expense, do we have to do it over and over and over again before we stop?
    It is a violation of the 8th Amendment to put anyone to death. It is a violation of due process to eliminate the appellate system.

    How many innocent people have been saved from execution because of the appellate system?

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    It is possible to avoid guard murders through effective prison reform and proper staffing. There are many violent criminals who pose a threat to guards, but we can't kill them all. And we should follow the constitution. Too many innocent people have been put to death.

    Dogs are not humans.
    Ya the most inescapable prison is only inescapable until someone escapes, again these guys will continue to be dangerous and it seems they get crazier after years behind bars. That's all they have to do is think in there until something happens,then it is too late.

    You understood the dog part too

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by barbarian_style View Post
    Ya the most inescapable prison is only inescapable until someone escapes, again these guys will continue to be dangerous and it seems they get crazier after years behind bars. That's all they have to do is think in there until something happens,then it is too late.

    You understood the dog part too
    Thats a reason for prison reform, not executions.

    We don't need to break the constitution in order to build a better prison. Executing criminals will not (and has not) make the job any easier for the guards. It will not prevent attacks. It will not prevent escapes of dangerous criminals.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    It is a violation of the 8th Amendment to put anyone to death. It is a violation of due process to eliminate the appellate system.
    How is having two trials an elimination of the appellate system?

    How many innocent people have been saved from execution because of the appellate system?
    How many innocent people, especially guards and other inmates, have been killed because we allow these violent criminals to keep breathing the same air as others?
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    It is a violation of the 8th Amendment to put anyone to death. It is a violation of due process to eliminate the appellate system.

    How many innocent people have been saved from execution because of the appellate system?
    The Constitution of the United States of America - Eighth Amendment--Further Guarantees in Criminal Cases

    No one has been denied the appellate system at federal levels that I can see.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    Thats a reason for prison reform, not executions.

    We don't need to break the constitution in order to build a better prison. Executing criminals will not (and has not) make the job any easier for the guards. It will not prevent attacks. It will not prevent escapes of dangerous criminals.
    Until then we best keep the DP around and utilize it, at higher standard say like for guys like, McVeigh...

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    How is having two trials an elimination of the appellate system?
    What are you talking about? The appellate system simply reviews the trial to ensure the law was carried out. A new trial is not awarded unless there is new evidence/testimony. I noticed you sidestepped the 8th Amendment point.


    How many innocent people, especially guards and other inmates, have been killed because we allow these violent criminals to keep breathing the same air as others?
    Answering a question with a question? That wins the debate!

    How would facilitating the execution of more criminals reduce the danger of corrections? How many people are you trying to kill?

    As I told barbarian, we could do a lot to prevent escape and murder/violence by making serious prison reforms, not by making heads roll.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by barbarian_style View Post
    Until then we best keep the DP around and utilize it, at higher standard say like for guys like, McVeigh...
    How about we implement the prison reforms NOW and eliminate the DP NOW in order to adhere to a constitutional justice system which is not only effective but also righteous?

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