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    Re: Death Penalty

    Yes if someone cuts a little girls head off then rapes their dead body they should be killed with sufficient evidence, but if its a one time deal give them like 20-40 years.

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    I would almost be willing to countenance the death penalty, if only trials were in fact always accurate determinants of guilt. DNA evidence would have to be presented. Everyone would have the same, competent defense opportunity, instead of the lower class all too often being given a public defender that has a dozen other cases. Sometimes the lawyers were even caught falling asleep during trial. Black defendants are also far more likely to be given the death sentence in murder trials that convicted white defendants. I think all too often death penalty proponents lose sight of the fact that life in prison is in fact a punishment, it's not like they get to just go shopping the next day.

    Look at why Illinois rid itself of executions. There was a massive amount of forced confessions by interrogators, and the thing is, once someone is executed it's too late to do the right thing. Does anyone really think innocent people have not been executed? On top of all that, looking on a map it seems like the entire civilized democratic world except the US is banning the death penalty or already has. While I sympathize with the victims, there is something inherently contradictory about murder being wrong but then the government setting about to kill captives who are at that point completely at its mercy. The amount of bloodlust exhibited by death penalty supporters and even some posters here with comments like appeals being "idiotic legal wrangling" is disturbing.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If there is any doubt that the person is guilty then they should not be executed...that goes without saying.....With the arrival of DNA testing the chance of a person who is not guilty getting executed is very small. No system is infallible..If one innocent person is executed out of 1000 its something you live with. Whether you lefties like it or not the death penalty is a deterrent.
    Completely disagree that it is a deterrent. Deterrent of others, not the lame "they won't kill again" sound bite.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Right...Self control when angry. Anger. Anger and the ability to control it. People who get, and are, angry can control it and Disney's argument that you can't is hog wash.
    We all feel anger at times. However, we're not all like Kal'Strang who feels the temptation to torture and murder people because he's angry.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by wolv67 View Post
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    Look at why Illinois rid itself of executions. There was a massive amount of forced confessions by interrogators
    Would you please provide a link/source for this?

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Completely disagree that it is a deterrent. Deterrent of others, not the lame "they won't kill again" sound bite.
    One thing you gotta say no matter how you feel about this scum is it sure as hell deters the guy that might have raped and murdered your wife or sister...........He is dead........he will never do it again........he is deterred........

    On another note there have actually been cases of criminals moving to states that don't have the death penalty to rape and murder your wife or mother.....They know they can only get life and some Liberal judge down the road will let them out to rape and murder someone elses wife or mother.................think about it.......
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by wolv67 View Post
    I would almost be willing to countenance the death penalty, if only trials were in fact always accurate determinants of guilt. DNA evidence would have to be presented. Everyone would have the same, competent defense opportunity, instead of the lower class all too often being given a public defender that has a dozen other cases. Sometimes the lawyers were even caught falling asleep during trial. Black defendants are also far more likely to be given the death sentence in murder trials that convicted white defendants. I think all too often death penalty proponents lose sight of the fact that life in prison is in fact a punishment, it's not like they get to just go shopping the next day.

    Look at why Illinois rid itself of executions. There was a massive amount of forced confessions by interrogators, and the thing is, once someone is executed it's too late to do the right thing. Does anyone really think innocent people have not been executed? On top of all that, looking on a map it seems like the entire civilized democratic world except the US is banning the death penalty or already has. While I sympathize with the victims, there is something inherently contradictory about murder being wrong but then the government setting about to kill captives who are at that point completely at its mercy. The amount of bloodlust exhibited by death penalty supporters and even some posters here with comments like appeals being "idiotic legal wrangling" is disturbing.

    Nobody should be given the death penalty unless they have been proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt that goes without say........

    The reason why blacks are executed more often is simple.......They commit more capital crimes then whites do.......
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by chris126 View Post
    Yes if someone cuts a little girls head off then rapes their dead body they should be killed with sufficient evidence, but if its a one time deal give them like 20-40 years.

    well yes, naturally. whom among us hasn't, at one point, had a little too much to drink and brutally murdered and raped a child?




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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Right...Self control when angry. Anger. Anger and the ability to control it. People who get, and are, angry can control it and Disney's argument that you can't is hog wash.
    that is precisely correct. anger can indeed by controlled.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    We all feel anger at times. However, we're not all like Kal'Strang who feels the temptation to torture and murder people because he's angry.
    That is a different argument. His is that angry people can't have self-control. He is wrong. He has also disappeared.

    If it was legal and somebody killed my daughter I would kill that person. It has nothing to do with anger. I think that anybody that murders should be killed as a simple consequence to that action and I would have no problem being the one to kill them. I would not torture them simply because it would gross me out. I would have no problem letting another torture them and then I kill them. Again, it has nothing to do with anger. I think that if people knew that they would be tortured to death in the same manner that they did it to others they might not do it. Not always... but at least some. I don't see Kal as being angry in the slightest.
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