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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    It is never acceptable, with the sole exception being self-defense. Torturing a man to death, regardless of who it is, is no more dignified than molesting children.
    Torturing the man that molested my nieces would have been quite acceptable to me....and my nieces.

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    It is not false proof, but evidence that can be used legitimately to deteriorate the deterrent claim. It is not full-proof, but the primary burden of proof rests with those who make the claim.
    Bold: It is if it doesn't tell the whole story.

    Underlined: Exactly. And those that are saying that it is not a deterrent are the ones making the claim.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    It makes no sense to uphold the value of human life by arbitrarily taking human lives.
    How do you get arbitrarily out of it?
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    It makes no sense to uphold the value of human life by arbitrarily taking human lives.
    Since it is not done "arbitrarily" then I don't see where your concern is. The person that is sentenced to death went through a lengthy court proceeding. By the time they are finally executed they have had multiple attempts to convince that a stay of execution was needed or warranted. It takes years to go through all of these processes. That is anything BUT arbitrary.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It is not barbaric to watch. It is barbaric to cheer as we used to. Is it barbaric to kill the offender? Well, that is an opinion. It might be but that does not make it the wrong action.

    I have no idea what you are talking about with the rest. The catheter is irrelevant. Why have it be messy if it doesn't need to be? You are not addressing anything about why killing the offender is wrong.
    I was still speaking to how it is hidden, the gruesomeness is hidden from those who do get to view it. One of the reasons it is wrong is intrinsic, the shame people feel when they realize a decision of that magnitude has taken place, that an execution has been carried out in their name, for the betterment of their society. There is shame in that, and that is the first thing that tells us the death penalty is wrong.
    Shame is the antithesis to dignity, by hiding the acts of the death penalty we are denying that we have taken their dignity and ours. The ethical considerations here are that when we feel negative feelings such as shame it is a sign that we should change the circumstance that made us feel that way (think about when you felt you had to apologize about something). If we do not take action, if we deny it and we let that shame build, we are not acting to make anything better, we are not even being stoic, we are simply shamed.

    Shame is the force that gives violence meaning. It is the vessel in which tyranny is formed. Shame seeds violence--against spouses, against children, against the vulnerable, against those who are different, against those who we believe shamed us.The revenge shaped by shame spreads outward, radiating across groups, forming defensive solidarities and pseudo-unities of “us” against “them,” inspiring restitution through domination and greed.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You seem to be of the belief that everyone feels shame over executing people, but that is wrong.

    Isn't it barbaric to watch soldiers killing during war/combat? Would it be okay to have a camera go around with a combat unit every minute of every day for a year just to show the killings as entertainment? Does that make all war and all combat shameful?
    When we do get to "see" the results of war or conflict there is more outrage against it, by not seeing it we are distanced from the reality of it.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    How do you get arbitrarily out of it?
    Arbitrarily because the rules are not applied uniformly and without bias and they never could be.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Since it is not done "arbitrarily" then I don't see where your concern is. The person that is sentenced to death went through a lengthy court proceeding. By the time they are finally executed they have had multiple attempts to convince that a stay of execution was needed or warranted. It takes years to go through all of these processes. That is anything BUT arbitrary.
    The application of the law is arbitrary. Poor people are more likely to be presented with a death sentence, minorities are, if you killed a LEO, famous person or white person you are more likely to face the death penalty. It is not applied evenly.

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didnít have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, Iím allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and Iíve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I donít, before you know it, you wonít let me say nothing at all"
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    The application of the law is arbitrary. Poor people are more likely to be presented with a death sentence, minorities are, if you killed a LEO, famous person or white person you are more likely to face the death penalty. It is not applied evenly.
    This has more to do with society and money than it does with the law.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    The application of the law is arbitrary. Poor people are more likely to be presented with a death sentence, minorities are, if you killed a LEO, famous person or white person you are more likely to face the death penalty. It is not applied evenly.
    It may not be applied uniformly but that does not mean that we are arbitrarily killing people like he said and Kal-Stang explained why. Arbitrarily killing people would be to just kill people regardless of offense at any moment for any reason.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Funny how people "doubt" another persons word just because it doesn't suit their beliefs. You can doubt it all that you want but the DP is precisely why I didn't torture and kill that person.
    Okie Dokie artichokie. I'm sure that that is exactly the reason (and nothing else).
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