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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    The when life begins? PM me with an argument as to why I should take part in that debate and then I will. (If that is what you are talking about)
    No. The ethical aspects of the Death Penalty that you challenged me on. This is getting ridiculous.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    No. The ethical aspects of the Death Penalty that you challenged me on. This is getting ridiculous.
    My quote from Camus begins to address one ethical concern of the death penalty. If it is so right to do, if it is just, then why is it hidden away, why is the process not discussed? If it is the right thing to do we should not be afraid to see it. Is it unethical to have public executions?

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Whether you lefties like it or not the death penalty is a deterrent.
    Contrary to every study out there. Then again....NP has never let the facts stand in the way of being completely wrong before.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    My quote from Camus begins to address one ethical concern of the death penalty. If it is so right to do, if it is just, then why is it hidden away, why is the process not discussed? If it is the right thing to do we should not be afraid to see it. Is it unethical to have public executions?
    I don't think that it is unethical to have public executions and one of the issues regarding the DP is that many people are trying to address immorality with morals and it just doesn't work.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I don't think that it is unethical to have public executions and one of the issues regarding the DP is that many people are trying to address immorality with morals and it just doesn't work.
    Then, why don't we have public executions?

    The condemned's immorality vs. the government's morality?

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Then, why don't we have public executions?

    The condemned's immorality vs. the government's morality?
    We do have public executions... they are just within confined spaces such as jails or prisons now.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    We do have public executions... they are just within confined spaces such as jails or prisons now.
    Yes we do, but the "public" is limited to a special few. Victim's families, attorneys, police involved in the case and families of the one being put to death. My point is that they are not public to the general public who vote for the candidates that support the death penalty, the ones chanting about killing. If they are so sure what we are doing is right, if the government is so sure why they are doing is ethical (from a situational view, utilitarian, cultural, authoritarian or any other ethical philosophy) why can't we see it? By hiding it, it seems that it is shameful. The government won't even tell us about the preparation of the prisoner before the execution, when they still used the electric chair they didn't talk about the process either. Why? Because they know it is wrong and because of the public actually knew / saw what happened they would be disgusted and the support for the death penalty would wane.

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    Re: Death Penalty

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    Does anyone know what the cost is for lethal injection?
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If there is any doubt that the person is guilty then they should not be executed...that goes without saying.....With the arrival of DNA testing the chance of a person who is not guilty getting executed is very small. No system is infallible..If one innocent person is executed out of 1000 its something you live with. Whether you lefties like it or not the death penalty is a deterrent.
    The appeals system basically eliminates the deterrent. If you want the death penalty to be substantially effective, then you must reduce the scope of appellate rights.

    Also, the death penalty is not a left v.s. right issue.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If there is any doubt that the person is guilty then they should not be executed...that goes without saying.....With the arrival of DNA testing the chance of a person who is not guilty getting executed is very small. No system is infallible..If one innocent person is executed out of 1000 its something you live with. Whether you lefties like it or not the death penalty is a deterrent.
    If the death penalty were a deterrent, then why do we have less crime in modern America than was present in more brutal cultures in the past, and in current brutal cultures around the world? Their punishments are harsher, yet we have less crime.

    Every study shows that severity of punishment is not a deterrent against crime, especially not crimes like murder.

    And we shouldn't kill anyone if there is any doubt? Well let me tell you, there is ALWAYS doubt. It is impossible to know for sure. Eyewitness testimony is the most unreliable form of evidence. DNA evidence is not nearly so cut and dry like on TV. In most cases, including murder cases, it is unavailable to determine anything. Ever fingerprinting, often portrayed as infallible, is actually pretty much guesswork. Even the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard only shows us that someone probably perpetrated the crime. It is not "beyond all doubt."

    No innocent person should be executed. Ever. And the only way to ensure that we do not is never to kill anyone. Any other course guarantees that we will kill an innocent person. Any other course makes us murderers.
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