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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    The Nazi killings were legal under their own state laws.
    Where did you get this? Please, not again!

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Which were deemed inconsistent with international law, and more importantly, considered war crimes.
    You're applying retrospective analysis to make that determination. You're adhering to certain international standards and codes in some areas but ignoring them in others. Your logic is inconsistent and flawed.

    Whether or not genocide was recognized or not doesn't change the status of Nazi actions as war crimes.
    I thought we were going by literal definitions of terms? There is no exception in the literal definition of a murder. It has to be illegal at the time it is committed. There is no retrospective exception to the rule.

    No it isn't. It's murder, and there is law against it. International law prohibits the death penalty without conviction in a court.
    Name the law. And I wasn't even talking about the death penalty. The Stalinists STARVED people to death by taking away their daily bread and giving it to the citizens of the motherland. I'm not referring to official death sentences.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Where did you get this? Please, not again!
    You miss a lot of information if you jump into the middle of a debate.

    Mac said murder is an illegal killing. Under the Nazis, killing Jews was not illegal. Ergo, according to mac (who conveniently uses international protocols when it suits his argument), the Nazis committed no murders. Only killings.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    There is no such thing, NP.
    Tell that to the 42,000,000 infants who have been killed in the womb.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Tell that to the 42,000,000 infants who have been killed in the womb.
    this thread, is not about abortion. we have more than enough abortion threads.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    You're applying retrospective analysis to make that determination. You're adhering to certain international standards and codes in some areas but ignoring them in others. Your logic is inconsistent and flawed.
    No, I'm not. There is nothing retrospective about the Nuremberg trials.

    I thought we were going by literal definitions of terms? There is no exception in the literal definition of a murder. It has to be illegal at the time it is committed. There is no retrospective exception to the rule.
    Negligent homicide is a term....and it is murder. Homicide can also mean (and usually does mean) murder. As far as weather or not it was illegal, international law states there must be a conviction for it to be legal. Did the Stalinists convict, in court, everyone they killed?

    Name the law. And I wasn't even talking about the death penalty. The Stalinists STARVED people to death by taking away their daily bread and giving it to the citizens of the motherland. I'm not referring to official death sentences.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Tell that to the 42,000,000 infants who have been killed in the womb.
    Unfortunately, that is legal. Hopefully we can change that, too.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    this thread, is not about abortion. we have more than enough abortion threads.
    And more than enough references to the death penalty in them.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    And more than enough references to the death penalty in them.
    irrelevant. two wrongs don't make a right.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    You miss a lot of information if you jump into the middle of a debate.

    Mac said murder is an illegal killing. Under the Nazis, killing Jews was not illegal. Ergo, according to mac (who conveniently uses international protocols when it suits his argument), the Nazis committed no murders. Only killings.
    You're back tracking...I thought you came to terms with the Nazi thing. Of course it was illegal. You seem to have confused yourself on what I've said. I certainly did not say that the Nazi's committed no murders.
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