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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    You do not have rights over another person's body parts. Until it is able to survive outside the womb, it is a part of the woman's body.
    That is incorrect. It is in the womans body, it is not part of the womans body.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The simple truth is that the Death penalty is not murder under US law, nor is it made illegal by international law. . Murder is an illegal killing, the death penalty is not an illegal killing however unjust we may think that is.
    The UN doesn't specify in this case. It only demands that ALL human beings have a right to life.

    But I'll go one more time around the rosies. If murder is an illegal killing, than the government of China never murdered its citizens. North Korea never murdered its citizens.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    I get a huge kick out of some of our left wing friends who say when you execute someone you are taking away their civil rights.......What about the victim? What about their rights?
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Then you don't understand what murder means.
    I understand what the definition of murder means. Unfortunately, the term is used by proponents of the death penalty (again, you claim to be against it but yet spend considerable time and energy defending it) to distinguish between what they consider to be rightful and wrongful killing.

    If you ask any rational person whether or not China or North Korea (or a sleuth of other countries) murders its own citizens, you would likely get a "yes" response. Literally, it may be incorrect to consider state-sanctioned killing as murder. But in so many governmental circumstances, the term definitely feels adequate.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    The UN doesn't specify in this case. It only demands that ALL human beings have a right to life.
    That's not true, it does both. Just as the US Constitution forbids the taking of human life without due process of law.

    But I'll go one more time around the rosies. If murder is an illegal killing, than the government of China never murdered its citizens. North Korea never murdered its citizens.
    If it's consistent with their laws, then it is not. By the way, neither China nor NK are signatories on the UDHR.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    OK can you tell me what crime and innocent defenseless infant in the womb has committed to kill it....Now a person who is sentenced to death has committed a capital crime such as first degree murder where in a lot of cases he has raped and murdered someones daughter, mother or sisiter............

    I wonder if you can see the difference?
    I can recognize your hyperbolic argument. A woman's body is a woman's body. YOU have no moral jurisdiction over someone else's body. As I will continue to say, my skin is my skin and you're not entitled to anything underneath it.

    As for killing as punishment, I believe that is considered cruel.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I get a huge kick out of some of our left wing friends who say when you execute someone you are taking away their civil rights.......What about the victim? What about their rights?
    Read the constitution. Even the convicted have rights.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    I understand what the definition of murder means. Unfortunately, the term is used by proponents of the death penalty (again, you claim to be against it but yet spend considerable time and energy defending it) to distinguish between what they consider to be rightful and wrongful killing.
    Wrongful killing isn't murder. Illegal killing is murder. I'm not defending the death penalty, I'm pointing out to you (for you) what is wrong with your argument.

    If you ask any rational person whether or not China or North Korea (or a sleuth of other countries) murders its own citizens, you would likely get a "yes" response. Literally, it may be incorrect to consider state-sanctioned killing as murder. But in so many governmental circumstances, the term definitely feels adequate.
    Well, let's stick to facts instead of feelings, shall we?
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That's not true, it does both. Just as the US Constitution forbids the taking of human life without due process of law.
    Where does the UDHR make exceptions? You should read the work of Benjamin Rush on this issue.

    If it's consistent with their laws, then it is not. By the way, neither China nor NK are signatories on the UDHR.
    Neither is the United States. That doesn't justify what they do to their citizens or what we do to ours. Despite the strict literal definition, it is still murder in my mind. A government's decree doesn't justify the wrongful killing of another. Killing is only justified in self-defense.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Wrongful killing isn't murder. Illegal killing is murder. I'm not defending the death penalty, I'm pointing out to you (for you) what is wrong with your argument.



    Well, let's stick to facts instead of feelings, shall we?
    Great! You win! According to your stubborn logic, the Nazis did not murder people in concentration camps. See how many people in the world accept that assertion.

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