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    Re: Death Penalty

    When we advance as a nation, the death penalty will be a thing of the past..
    Do the Swiss have a death penalty ?
    Does the death penalty work ?
    When younger, I favored the penalty....more thought...more knowledge....my mind is changed.
    But, I am but one man, we are truly savages...and we have a long ways to go..

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Here is the poster boy for capital punishment:

    Prosecutor Says John Couey Raped, Buried Jessica Lunsford Alive | Fox News

    "Sex offender John Evander Couey stole 9-year-old Jessica Lunsford from her home, raped her, wrapped her in garbage bags, then left her alive in a dirt hole to suffocate to death, a prosecutor said Thursday during opening arguments in the case."

    So long as there are people like him, there will be a need for the death penalty. Personally, I agree with others who have said that lethal injection is too nice. Lions need to eat. So do sharks. There is something just about a guy like this meeting his end the way his victim met her end--being mauled by a remorseless, mindless brute.
    I think that you don't need controversy on whether it is humane not to hinder what is trying to be accomplished by this sort of punishment. So I do disagree with your ways off execution.

    Yet, take a look at Donald Bloom also (he should have never been free) and you may see there may be a need to have these sex offenders being tried at federal levels, they are that heinous of crimes were we can implement it.
    Last edited by barbarian_style; 03-03-12 at 09:40 PM.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    When we advance as a nation, the death penalty will be a thing of the past..
    Do the Swiss have a death penalty ?
    Does the death penalty work ?
    When younger, I favored the penalty....more thought...more knowledge....my mind is changed.
    But, I am but one man, we are truly savages...and we have a long ways to go..
    I don't believe it has anything to do with "advancement" of your society. I used to be totally opposed of it until I had children of my own.
    Last edited by barbarian_style; 03-03-12 at 09:43 PM.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Targetting captives is wrong.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Targetting captives is wrong.
    So is targeting the innocent that is going about there own business.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by barbarian_style View Post
    I disagree, but I do believe that it should be only used at federal level (exp: Jim McViegh) and not state levels.
    Well it does innately consume innocent life, so you can't be disagreeing with that. Which leaves "we reap relatively little benefit as a society as large from the death penalty". So perhaps then you can demonstrate these grand benefits the aggregate of society reaps from the death penalty.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well it does innately consume innocent life, so you can't be disagreeing with that. Which leaves "we reap relatively little benefit as a society as large from the death penalty". So perhaps then you can demonstrate these grand benefits the aggregate of society reaps from the death penalty.
    Yes that part too, sorry unless you have a good case of this, I may even be able to point out some things. (per to the view I expressed already)

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by barbarian_style View Post
    Yes that part too, sorry unless you have a good case of this, I may even be able to point out some things.
    How about the fact that in the deployment of the death penalty many people innocent of the crime charged were put to death? Not enough? Illinois before it's moratorium had exonerated more death row inmates than executed. The moratorium was put in place because they found that over half the death row inmates were innocent of the crime charged. And didn't a Texas governor recently rush through an execution almost certainly known before hand to be that of an innocent prisoner?

    The Death Penalty innately consumes innocent life since we are not privilege to absolute knowledge.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I believe revenge should not be the motivating force in a legal system and I don't think death penalty is an effective deterrant.
    I believe it encourages violent crime by justifying the rationalization of murder.

    The most pragmatic argument against the death penalty probably is that mistakes happen in any legal system, and death penalty cannot be reversed when a mistake was made.
    I find the most pragmatic arguments to be:

    1. Targetting captives is wrong.
    2. The DP encourages violent crime (as above).

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    How about the fact that in the deployment of the death penalty many people innocent of the crime charged were put to death? Not enough? Illinois before it's moratorium had exonerated more death row inmates than executed. The moratorium was put in place because they found that over half the death row inmates were innocent of the crime charged. And didn't a Texas governor recently rush through an execution almost certainly known before hand to be that of an innocent prisoner?

    The Death Penalty innately consumes innocent life since we are not privilege to absolute knowledge.
    Go back and please read my existing posts, you will see this is out of scope of my view of the death penalty unless you can state how it isn't, sorry sometimes I misinterpret peoples posts.
    Last edited by barbarian_style; 03-03-12 at 09:56 PM. Reason: my posts in this thread

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