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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Other responses I have seen to this question are wrong. There is something called "The Castle Doctrine" and many states have been influenced by it. It is quite interesting, you may want to take a read.
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    The law in many states also says that the death penalty is legal....
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The law in many states also says that the death penalty is legal....
    What does that have to do with giving Thunder information on the Castle Laws? Yes, the DP is legal in some states, that does not mean people acting within their rights under the Castle Laws will be subject to it.

    What are we discussing here? I would love to engage in a intelligent and informed discussion regarding the dp and what can be done, what solutions can we come up with?

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I think we all agree, that taking a human life, unless its in self-defense, a legal war, to protect property, or to protect others, is wrong. Its called murder.

    however, some crimes are soooo evil, that the penalty of death is warranted. such as crimes against humanity & genocide.
    I still disagree. By practicing state sanctioned murder we are no better than the monsters we are killing.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    I still disagree. By practicing state sanctioned murder we are no better than the monsters we are killing.
    Stop playing stupid word games. If it's state-sanctioned, it cannot, by definition, be murder. Words have meanings for a reason.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Stop playing stupid word games. If it's state-sanctioned, it cannot, by definition, be murder. Words have meanings for a reason.
    Uh, why does it even matter? Do an internet search for state sanctioned murder and a whole lot of results that pop up are regarding the DP. That is what I call it because that is what I believe it to be, not punishment. The state kills people in the names of the states citizens. That is what I call state sanctioned killing.

    The fact is that the state kills people. I think that is wrong on any level, what do you think?

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didnít have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, Iím allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and Iíve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I donít, before you know it, you wonít let me say nothing at all"
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Uh, why does it even matter? Do an internet search for state sanctioned murder and a whole lot of results that pop up are regarding the DP. That is what I call it because that is what I believe it to be, not punishment. The state kills people in the names of the states citizens. That is what I call state sanctioned killing.

    The fact is that the state kills people. I think that is wrong on any level, what do you think?
    They're all using it wrong as well. Words have meanings so we can engage in meaningful dialog. Far too many people would rather allow emotionally-charged words, rather than logic and reason, try to influence people's positions. It's blatantly dishonest.

    You can think it's wrong all you want. It's just not murder.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They're all using it wrong as well. Words have meanings so we can engage in meaningful dialog. Far too many people would rather allow emotionally-charged words, rather than logic and reason, try to influence people's positions. It's blatantly dishonest.

    You can think it's wrong all you want. It's just not murder.
    The biggest problem in the world is that we are not only seperated by a common language. Words are defined by personal opinion. There is no "Standard" referance which adds to confusion. Trying to discuss something when everyone is useing the same words and meanings is hard enough.

    BTW for tankgirl, Murder is to kill an INNOCENT person. Therefore to execute someone for commiting murder is not murder in and of itself.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    The biggest problem in the world is that we are not only seperated by a common language. Words are defined by personal opinion. There is no "Standard" referance which adds to confusion. Trying to discuss something when everyone is useing the same words and meanings is hard enough.

    BTW for tankgirl, Murder is to kill an INNOCENT person. Therefore to execute someone for commiting murder is not murder in and of itself.
    No, murder is an illegal killing. While the death penalty is not murder, killing a guilty person can indeed be murder.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Uh, why does it even matter? Do an internet search for state sanctioned murder and a whole lot of results that pop up are regarding the DP. That is what I call it because that is what I believe it to be, not punishment. The state kills people in the names of the states citizens. That is what I call state sanctioned killing.

    The fact is that the state kills people. I think that is wrong on any level, what do you think?
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    The biggest problem in the world is that we are not only seperated by a common language. Words are defined by personal opinion. There is no "Standard" referance which adds to confusion. Trying to discuss something when everyone is useing the same words and meanings is hard enough.

    BTW for tankgirl, Murder is to kill an INNOCENT person. Therefore to execute someone for commiting murder is not murder in and of itself.
    For John and Cephus:

    Language is fluid, like changes in life. Language changes depending on the who, what, when, where and why of it's context and on who is interpreting it. I never said there was a "standard". Depending on whose definition you look at "murder" is "to kill".
    John-- if we hang on to your definition then tell me how we "prove" 100% that the person is guilty.

    As far as I am concerned the government should not be killing someone in my name, the argument is ridiculous that killing is wrong and then you go and kill. Inflamatory or not-- the state sanctions these "killings",l to me they are murder.

    Now, what about arguments for or against the DP instead of semantics?

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