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    Re: Death Penalty

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Does the state taking a life deviate from the concept of self-ownership?
    Yes, and it is wrong.

    With that said, I don't believe in anarchy. Even though convicts have certain rights, society does have reasonable discretion to take certain liberties away.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I'm fairly well versed in the controversy surrounding the death penalty, and I oppose it. What I am asking you is do you stand by the statement "Taking a life is wrong"? I am discussing capitol punishment. This isn't about yours or my opinion on the morality of abortion. Why are you dodging that question?
    My answer, and I see you have already added my humble admission that self-defense trumps my argument to your signature to show everyone I may have contradicted my self (dude I admit it and I am working on wrapping my head around it) Is yes Killing is wrong, the taking of a life, murder is wrong. As unfortunate as it is in self defense situations you need to decide if its your life or theirs. It is not your fault, I don't believe the guilt lies with the person engaging is self defense as they were forced to by another. Just as the state is executing people on "behalf of the people", I am part of that group and I do not want anyone killed on my behalf.

    Taking a life a wrong because that deprives someone /thing of life. ( I will not even kill spiders etc.... I have someone else do it because it makes me sad). It does not matter who takes the life, it is wrong.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    "Taking a life a wrong because that deprives someone /thing of life. ( I will not even kill spiders etc.... I have someone else do it because it makes me sad). It does not matter who takes the life, it is wrong." - Taxigirl

    Yet many wars have been fought for good reasons, like the War for Independence. Imo murder is wrong, as well as unjustified killing. When it comes down defending one's life, liberty, and family it doesn't translate as wrong. To be honest there are many people who are not bothered by killing spiders, or attackers, or invaders, etc.
    Last edited by Wake; 03-14-12 at 12:53 PM.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    "Taking a life a wrong because that deprives someone /thing of life. ( I will not even kill spiders etc.... I have someone else do it because it makes me sad). It does not matter who takes the life, it is wrong." —Taxigirl

    Yet many wars have been fought for good reasons, like the War for Independence. Imo murder is wrong, as well as unjustified killing. When it comes down defending one's life, liberty, and family it doesn't translate as wrong. To be honest there are many people who are not bothered by killing spiders, or attackers, or invaders, etc.
    I am anti-war as well. Humans need to step up, raise the level of public discourse and work things out somehow. Now, that is going to bombard me with another topic, so I you are so inclined please make thread about anti-war issues and drag me in there.

    There are plenty of wars that have been fought for all the wrong reasons.

    Back to the DP... what do you think about DP? how it is applied, the appeals issues, is it a deterrent. retribution, punishment, right or wrong?????

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    "I am anti-war as well. Humans need to step up, raise the level of public discourse and work things out somehow. Now, that is going to bombard me with another topic, so I you are so inclined please make thread about anti-war issues and drag me in there." - Taxigirl

    Well, peace isn't always easy to come by. Sometimes war is the only option, as it seemed to be in the fight against the British for independence.

    "There are plenty of wars that have been fought for all the wrong reasons." - Taxigirl

    I think you're right about that.

    "Back to the DP... what do you think about DP? how it is applied, the appeals issues, is it a deterrent. retribution, punishment, right or wrong?????" - Taxigirl

    It seems like an attempt to mete out proper punishment to those who have left humanity for being murderous animals. Is the DP always accurate? No, it's not. That's the scary part. I would imagine if some pro-DP member were to be wrongly convicted of crimes punishable by death that he or she would have a changed view.

    As for application I think it's cheaper to use a firing squad. Is that necessarily better? Not sure. It'd be a lot cheaper. As for appeals I don't have much knowledge on that. I would imagine it'd be a deterrent, just as being guillotined would be a deterrent to would-be traitors in France. Retribution? Eh, justice is retribution, in a popular and official way. If people are wrongly put to death, then those responsible for the faulty punishment should be held accountable.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
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    I get that, my question is: is taking a life wrong?
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    My answer, and I see you have already added my humble admission that self-defense trumps my argument to your signature to show everyone I may have contradicted my self (dude I admit it and I am working on wrapping my head around it) Is yes Killing is wrong, the taking of a life, murder is wrong. As unfortunate as it is in self defense situations you need to decide if its your life or theirs. It is not your fault, I don't believe the guilt lies with the person engaging is self defense as they were forced to by another. Just as the state is executing people on "behalf of the people", I am part of that group and I do not want anyone killed on my behalf.
    That's not why I put that there, but rather "taking a life is wrong." I agree...and I agree that self defense is the only situation where taking a life can be justified.

    Taking a life a wrong because that deprives someone /thing of life. ( I will not even kill spiders etc.... I have someone else do it because it makes me sad). It does not matter who takes the life, it is wrong.
    Thank you for answering the question. I agree, taking a life is wrong in any case other than self defense...even then, it should be avoided if possible.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I get that, my question is: is taking a life wrong?
    Did you miss my post #413?

    here's an excerpt: Taking a life a wrong because that deprives someone /thing of life. ( I will not even kill spiders etc.... I have someone else do it because it makes me sad). It does not matter who takes the life, it is wrong.

    Sorry, looks like we were posting at the same time.
    Last edited by taxigirl; 03-14-12 at 01:30 PM.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    Yes, and it is wrong.

    With that said, I don't believe in anarchy. Even though convicts have certain rights, society does have reasonable discretion to take certain liberties away.
    I agree, up to and not including taking a life.
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