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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    there is nothing contradictory about being against the death penalty but supporting abortion rights.
    You have to admit that having no objection to the taking of a life of the most innocent while objecting vociferously to the taking of the life of a cold blooded scumbag does represent a contradiction in no uncertain terms. I would have far more respect for someone if they were consistent in their value of life - no abortion/no death penalty (period).

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That doesn't change the fact that an abortion is "taking a life" which she seems to support while denouncing it when it comes to the death penalty. I'm not arguing (here) that abortion is right or wrong, I'm asking her to explain her statement.
    There's no contradiction. One deals with personal, reproductive decisions while the other concerns bureaucratic officials arbitrarily deciding who lives and who dies.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    There's no contradiction. One deals with personal, reproductive decisions while the other concerns bureaucratic officials arbitrarily deciding who lives and who dies.
    Yes, there is a contradiction. Both deal with taking a life. The reasons behind the decision to take a life are immaterial to the statement "Taking a life is wrong."
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Yes, there is a contradiction. Both deal with taking a life. The reasons behind the decision to take a life are immaterial to the statement "Taking a life is wrong."
    i have conceded that the self defense issue muddied the waters but I think my argument still stands.

    The last rime I will repeat this stuff: This is the same warning I gave to a poster last night:Seeing as you keep skirting around abortion and "life" and you are not well versed on the controversies surrounding the DP, I am guessing you came into this thread looking to catch someone in a slip up in their logic regarding killing so you can make some twisted attempt at convincing someone that abortion is murder. As I have stated: This is a thread about the DP. I am a strong believer in choice. I am also on the fence regarding the "beginning" of life. If you want to debate abortion, go to that thread. If you want to try to persuade me to your way of thinking regarding the "beginning" of life, come up with some argument as to why I should talk to you about it, PM me and then I will join you in a discussion. Get that through your head. I will not debate pro-life / pro-choice issues in a DP thread, they are independent issues with widely different consequences.


    This is the last I will even respond to you in this thread unless you have valid arguments and stick to the issue at hand.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Yes, there is a contradiction. Both deal with taking a life. The reasons behind the decision to take a life are immaterial to the statement "Taking a life is wrong."
    I never presumed that taking a life is wrong. Instead, I would argue the collective state making arbitrary decisions regarding life or death is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    i have conceded that the self defense issue muddied the waters but I think my argument still stands.

    The last rime I will repeat this stuff: This is the same warning I gave to a poster last night:Seeing as you keep skirting around abortion and "life" and you are not well versed on the controversies surrounding the DP, I am guessing you came into this thread looking to catch someone in a slip up in their logic regarding killing so you can make some twisted attempt at convincing someone that abortion is murder. As I have stated: This is a thread about the DP. I am a strong believer in choice. I am also on the fence regarding the "beginning" of life. If you want to debate abortion, go to that thread. If you want to try to persuade me to your way of thinking regarding the "beginning" of life, come up with some argument as to why I should talk to you about it, PM me and then I will join you in a discussion. Get that through your head. I will not debate pro-life / pro-choice issues in a DP thread, they are independent issues with widely different consequences.


    This is the last I will even respond to you in this thread unless you have valid arguments and stick to the issue at hand.

    Anyone who wants to discuss, capital punishment, how it is applied unfairly, the costs associated with the (not just money), the message it sends about us as country, deterrence, retribution, closure, public executions, ethics for medical professionals involved etc... Please join me once again in this discussion,.
    I'm fairly well versed in the controversy surrounding the death penalty, and I oppose it. What I am asking you is do you stand by the statement "Taking a life is wrong"? I am discussing capitol punishment. This isn't about yours or my opinion on the morality of abortion. Why are you dodging that question?
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    I never presumed that taking a life is wrong. Instead, I would argue the collective state making arbitrary decisions regarding life or death is wrong.
    Ok, then understand that I was asking a person who made the statement "Taking a life is wrong" to clarify it.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Ok, then understand that I was asking a person who made the statement "Taking a life is wrong" to clarify it.
    I realize and understand that. It still doesn't deviate from the concept of self-ownership.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Cases where murderers are proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt should deserve the death penalty. However there are also many cases where innocent people are put to death. Building on that it'd be a horrible scenario for you if you were convicted of crimes you didn't commit. I don't think it's an either/or issue, but a blend. Assuming the convicted are truly innocent, they deserve their punishment.

    So it's "under certain circumstances," imo.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    I realize and understand that. It still doesn't deviate from the concept of self-ownership.
    Does the state taking a life deviate from the concept of self-ownership?
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