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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinS View Post
    I don't see how it's hypocritical to be anti-abortion and pro-capital punishment. Abortion is said by this group of people to be immoral because it involves the killing of an innocent human, whilst capital punishment is morally permissible because the criminal was guilty.
    Hey latecomer, look back through the thread and see how many times our justice system has gotten it wrong. It's a lot more times than you would think it would be. I have posted the link numerous times in this thread. I won't argue the rest of your post. I've argued it until I'm blue in the face.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinS View Post
    Of course, when pro-lifers advocate a liberal-democratic idealist foreign program that goes around and kills children, then it becomes hypocritical. A defense of this policy (e.g. "it doesn't count because they are not Americans", etc.) basically reduces to a bunch of crazy essentialism. However, I'm not saying that all pro-lifers are advocates of liberal-democratic imperialism though, as that would be egregiously false.
    How are our foreign program's "liberal-democratic idealist"? What is a liberal democratic idealist anyway? You could just as easily say it's "neo-conservative colonialism".
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinS View Post
    I don't see how it's hypocritical to be anti-abortion and pro-capital punishment. Abortion is said by this group of people to be immoral because it involves the killing of an innocent human, whilst capital punishment is morally permissible because the criminal was guilty.
    Which would then mean that all life is not sacred.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Which would then mean that all life is not sacred.
    Because absolutely everyone who believes abortions are wrong, particularly as a form of BC, believes it because all life is sacred?

    Some believe that these are two different issues. Two different reasons to be for/against these things.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Hey latecomer, look back through the thread and see how many times our justice system has gotten it wrong. It's a lot more times than you would think it would be. I have posted the link numerous times in this thread. I won't argue the rest of your post. I've argued it until I'm blue in the face.
    So we change the system to reduce even further us getting it wrong. But what is the difference if someone is executed and later exonerated and someone dies in prison and is later exonerated? There is a good chance that either can happen. People die in prison all the time from a number of different things. My uncle died from heart trouble about 3 months before he was going to be released after over 25 years in prison.

    I hate the "innocent people get executed" schtick when it comes to the DP because those same innocent people could never get exonerated and die in prison anyway. It makes the assumption that without the DP, every innocent person who goes to prison will eventually be exonerated and will one day be able to live some of their life free. It fails to address the fact that people get killed and die in prison too.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So we change the system to reduce even further us getting it wrong. But what is the difference if someone is executed and later exonerated and someone dies in prison and is later exonerated? There is a good chance that either can happen. People die in prison all the time from a number of different things. My uncle died from heart trouble about 3 months before he was going to be released after over 25 years in prison.

    I hate the "innocent people get executed" schtick when it comes to the DP because those same innocent people could never get exonerated and die in prison anyway. It makes the assumption that without the DP, every innocent person who goes to prison will eventually be exonerated and will one day be able to live some of their life free. It fails to address the fact that people get killed and die in prison too.
    So, in other words, screw it they'll probably die in prison anyway so just electrocute 'em? I have a feeling that if you were wrongly convicted for a crime and faced the death penalty, your view would be quite different.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Well, here's one pro-lifer that is anti-capital punishment.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Hey latecomer, look back through the thread and see how many times our justice system has gotten it wrong. It's a lot more times than you would think it would be. I have posted the link numerous times in this thread. I won't argue the rest of your post. I've argued it until I'm blue in the face.
    I understand that innocent people are convicted as guilty, and it can become hypocritical when the death penalty is applied carelessly. Many people are only in favor of capital punishment when mountains of evidence stand to the contrary.
    Last edited by JustinS; 03-08-12 at 09:35 PM.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    How are our foreign program's "liberal-democratic idealist"? What is a liberal democratic idealist anyway? You could just as easily say it's "neo-conservative colonialism".
    By "liberal-democratic idealism", I mean aiming to achieve a world in which countries are all democratically governed such that elections are free and fair (e.g. the proposition "Toppling down enemy regimes to spread democracy will make the world a better place").

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinS View Post
    I understand that innocent people are convicted as guilty, and that's when it becomes hypocritical. Many people are only in favor of capital punishment when mountains of evidence stand to the contrary.
    This is the stance I take. If there are 3 credible witnesses, DNA proof, or a confession then I feel capital punishment is justified.

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