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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well if they cannot show that arson didn't occur, then they have no grounds to prosecute someone for the crime of arson, yes?
    He was prosecuted for the crime of murder, not arson. I'm still trying to sort out your double negative.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    He was prosecuted for the crime of murder, not arson. I'm still trying to sort out your double negative.
    But the murder was via arson, yes? Or arson was presented as a means of covering the crime. If there was no arson, how is there to say there was "murder" per say? Particularly if later the fire was ruled accidental. Seems to me that one needs to demonstrate definitively that a crime occurred before one can be prosecuted for a crime, yes?
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    That's fine. As I said, I don't agree with it on a philosophical level any more than on a religious one. I'm much more of an "eye for an eye" type than the "forgive and forget" type. I just hope that at no point in your life do you experience the sort of things that will make you wake up and see the world for the way it truly is..... A Dog eat Dog experience where only the Strong survive. There are only two types of people in the world... Predators and Prey. If you aren't the first, you're definitely the second.
    I have lived an interesting life so far and I have seen adversity, I have overcome.
    I have been the victim of violence, I see the effects of predators all the time, I also see what happens when the prey fight back and when the prey stand up. I have also seen predators change, amazing huh-- the world and the way people live is fluid, changing all our perceptions and actions.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Stop paying for women to have illigitimate babies. It's pretty simple. Require people to be responsible for their own choices, and live with the consequences of their actions. It's not complicated at all.
    No one is paying anyone to have babies. The aid programs you're referring to are about making sure that children don't starve. The assistance offered to single mothers doesn't even offset all the cost of having that kid, let alone allow her to turn a profit. No one is making money by reproducing, and certainly poor people aren't. No one is managing to escape poverty through reproduction.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    I have lived an interesting life so far and I have seen adversity, I have overcome.
    I have been the victim of violence, I see the effects of predators all the time, I also see what happens when the prey fight back and when the prey stand up. I have also seen predators change, amazing huh-- the world and the way people live is fluid, changing all our perceptions and actions.
    Can't say I've ever seen or heard of a wolf becoming a vegetarian in the wild. Espcially not when there are plenty of tasty bunnies all around. That's not to say the prey don't surprise the predator from time to time and get the upper hand. It does happen, but I'm sure we'd both agree it's the exception rather than the rule.

    I have made a point in life of NEVER allowing myself to be prey. That's meant I've had to be a predator for a long time. I'm probably one of the more benevolent ones out there, but I will never be anything other than a predator. The day I can no longer be one is the day I put myself down.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Can't say I've ever seen or heard of a wolf becoming a vegetarian in the wild. Espcially not when there are plenty of tasty bunnies all around. That's not to say the prey don't surprise the predator from time to time and get the upper hand. It does happen, but I'm sure we'd both agree it's the exception rather than the rule.

    I have made a point in life of NEVER allowing myself to be prey. That's meant I've had to be a predator for a long time. I'm probably one of the more benevolent ones out there, but I will never be anything other than a predator. The day I can no longer be one is the day I put myself down.
    Who are you preying on and for what?

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    I wonder how many of the pretend pro lifers are for the death penalty? LOL and they call themselves pro life. hehehe Anyway no there should not be a death penalty.
    Well, here's one pro-lifer that is anti-capital punishment.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Well, here's one pro-lifer that is anti-capital punishment.
    I'm in that same boat.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    I don't see how it's hypocritical to be anti-abortion and pro-capital punishment. Abortion is said by this group of people to be immoral because it involves the killing of an innocent human, whilst capital punishment is morally permissible because the criminal was guilty.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Of course, when pro-lifers advocate a liberal-democratic idealist foreign program that goes around and kills children, then it becomes hypocritical. A defense of this policy (e.g. "it doesn't count because they are not Americans", etc.) basically reduces to a bunch of crazy essentialism. However, I'm not saying that all pro-lifers are advocates of liberal-democratic imperialism though, as that would be egregiously false.

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