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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You seem to be under the impression that I am not pro-choice.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    A great many violent criminals are themselves the victims of violence and torment. Raised in abusive homes, trapped in poverty, and the likelihood of a sustaining job that can get them out of poverty is extremely slim. When the only option presented to a person is violence, like joining a gang, committing robberies, or dealing drugs, then violence is where they will go. Most times, violent crime is a result of the bad conditions in which a person lives. Human beings are community oriented creatures. We do seek to be productive members of society. We do not seek to disrupt the world around us. Violent criminals become that way because they feel like they don't have a choice.

    A truly evil person is one who wantonly hurts others, and doesn't care for the consequences. An evil person does it over and over, often because they are above the reach of their victims. A thug who shoots a store clerk, while clearly doing a bad thing, isn't a fundamentally evil person. These people aren't monsters, and they can be rehabilitated. They want a comfortable life, and want to be safe, law-abiding people. Really evil people, who might actually deserve death are power mongers and tyrants, like Saddam or Mubarak, and callous greedy pigs, like the bankers and business leaders who promote strife and war for personal profit, or who gut the economy and put millions out of work and out of their homes, just to fatten their purses.

    A desperate soul, pushed to his last resort and commits a violent act, is not an evil person, and can be redeemed. An uncaring person, who callously hurts others over and over and over, is really evil. The death penalty, as a means to punish violent criminals, does not help. It destroys a life that could still do some good. Only a life that is consistently committed to destruction deserves to be snuffed out.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    The hell it isn't. Tell you what - break into my place at night sometime and try to lift my stereo. We'll see if it's my decision to make.
    Self Defense is another issue, sorry I forgot to mention it.


    No it's not. It's mathematics. It is completely logical to rationalize and impose some sort of static figure to a human being's value. A doctor has more purpose and a greater net benefit to society than a drug dealer. A lawyer (ugh) has more to give than a panhandler. I don't give a flipping DAMN what some men wrote down in the 18th century - if you think all men are equal, you're blind.
    What if that panhandler steps out and prevents that lawyer from missing the curb and being hit by a bus? What if that lawyer has his client who raped a 4 year old released? The rapist is now on the way to see another little girl. After that occurs the girl goes to the doctor who does a blood test and when then results come back HIV+ he does not tell the little girl and her family because he believes that HIV does not cause AIDS and that is a bunch of hooey. That little girl then grows up and has unprotected sex as a teenager because her school teaches abstinence only and she infects a boy with HIV, that boy was supposed to become a doctor who would cure pancreatic cancer. He dies young. Now you are sitting on your death bed with pancreatic cancer only four months after its diagnosis because it is pretty brutal wondering what you did in your good life that caused you to have this happen to you at such a young age. You then see that freed rapist on TV giving speeches on how to avoid HIV, hmm, how'd he get there?

    Who do you blame? Who is the better person here? The one who did contribute --the panhandler -- the one who would have contributed -- the young boy--, the one who ends up contributing -- the rapist-- , the one who almost died -- the lawyer, the side characters (those instituting the abstinence only policy) the good and bad one -- the doctor, OR The one sitting on a bed with pancreatic cancer, sitting in judgement of the rest of the world. Kind of weird to have all that power huh?
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    An eye for an eye? That's really enlightened.

    Jesus of Nazareth: "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles."
    Not all of us look up to Jesus as the epitome of philosophical Right and Wrong. Some of us follow much older tenants. Even when I WAS a Christian, I couldn't find much redeeming value in the New Testament. The Old Testament always seemed to make a lot more sense to me.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    I wonder how many of the pretend pro lifers are for the death penalty? LOL and they call themselves pro life. hehehe Anyway no there should not be a death penalty.
    Most of us refer to ourselves as ANTI-Abortion, not Pro-Life. I have never been Pro-Life when it comes to the VAST majority of human beings I have ever met. However, I am ANTI-Abortion and Pro-Death Penalty.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    A great many violent criminals are themselves the victims of violence and torment. Raised in abusive homes, trapped in poverty, and the likelihood of a sustaining job that can get them out of poverty is extremely slim. When the only option presented to a person is violence, like joining a gang, committing robberies, or dealing drugs, then violence is where they will go. Most times, violent crime is a result of the bad conditions in which a person lives.
    That is the problem that we've been propagating with our welfare programs. Alot of young men are being raised in a culture without any decent strong male role models. They turn to the gang for acceptance and a feeling of belonging. As long as we endorse that lifestyle, by supporting the culture and lifestyle which facilitates it, these young men have a very slim chance of success at anything besides being a criminal.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    We as a society have agreed to give up some of our natural rights in exchange for
    living within and being protected within the bounds of law.
    When a member of our society repeatably refuses to accept the established boundaries, they can are are
    punished for being outside the law (outlaw).
    At the point, the courts determine that a person will NEVER accept the law,
    The only choice is the permanent removal from society.
    Capital Punishment is not so much about execution, as the irrevocable removal of all civil rights!

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That is the problem that we've been propagating with our welfare programs. Alot of young men are being raised in a culture without any decent strong male role models. They turn to the gang for acceptance and a feeling of belonging. As long as we endorse that lifestyle, by supporting the culture and lifestyle which facilitates it, these young men have a very slim chance of success at anything besides being a criminal.
    i am all for alternatives. what do you have to offer?

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i am all for alternatives. what do you have to offer?
    Stop paying for women to have illigitimate babies. It's pretty simple. Require people to be responsible for their own choices, and live with the consequences of their actions. It's not complicated at all.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Most of us refer to ourselves as ANTI-Abortion, not Pro-Life. I have never been Pro-Life when it comes to the VAST majority of human beings I have ever met. However, I am ANTI-Abortion and Pro-Death Penalty.
    That sounds rational.
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