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    Re: Death Penalty

    Let's show people killing is wrong by killing people!
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because we're not monkeys. We're not mere animals without intelligence and conscious. We are humans, and we are capable of being more.
    Now if you could only convince the murderous among us of that we wouldnt have a need for the death penalty.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Now if you could only convince the murderous among us of that we wouldnt have a need for the death penalty.
    Well if we could convince everyone, we wouldn't have crime. But given a large enough population, we are going to get crime and a percentage of that will be violent and include murder. It's only natural in a large society. But just because others have turned their back on their humanity doesn't mean that we have to do the same, yes?
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But how do you know you're actually executing the guilty ones? We've had numerous cases of innocents executed. And you don't have absolute knowledge.
    Name one, just one that we know was innocent. Obviously, I am precluding the speculations of anti-dp activists who have a very low standard of innocence as well as a political agenda. Just one.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Name one, just one that we know was innocent. Obviously, I am precluding the speculations of anti-dp activists who have a very low standard of innocence as well as a political agenda. Just one.
    Speculations of what? You're not one of those "well if they were innocent, they wouldn't have been there in the first place" sort of folk, are you? Cause that would be unfortunate. There have been numerous occasions when people were killed under the Death Penalty for crimes they did not commit. Illinois stopped their death penalty after they found that over half the prisoners on death row were not guilty of the crime they were convicted of. Up to that point they had exonerated more death row inmates than executed.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Speculations of what? You're not one of those "well if they were innocent, they wouldn't have been there in the first place" sort of folk, are you? Cause that would be unfortunate. There have been numerous occasions when people were killed under the Death Penalty for crimes they did not commit. Illinois stopped their death penalty after they found that over half the prisoners on death row were not guilty of the crime they were convicted of. Up to that point they had exonerated more death row inmates than executed.
    Just one, that's all. Show me!

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well if we could convince everyone, we wouldn't have crime. But given a large enough population, we are going to get crime and a percentage of that will be violent and include murder. It's only natural in a large society. But just because others have turned their back on their humanity doesn't mean that we have to do the same, yes?
    I dont think we surrender our humanity by destroying evil. Saying, in effect, that if you intentionally take the life of an innocent you have forfeited your own, shows the value we place upon innocent human life. If a dog mauls a human, we put the dog down. There is less moral justification for that than putting down a murderous human.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Name one, just one that we know was innocent. Obviously, I am precluding the speculations of anti-dp activists who have a very low standard of innocence as well as a political agenda. Just one.
    Thomas Griffin and Meeks Griffin were executed via the electric chair in 1915 in South Carolina, they were pardoned in October 2009.

    Josefa "Chipita" Rodriguez was convicted of murder and hanged in Texas in 1863. A century later, on June 13, 1985, the Texas Legislature exonerated her.

    Check out Larry Griffin or Cameron Todd Willingham. These are two of the strongest cases.

    You are asking that people prove a negative.

    What about all the people who have been exonerated before execution and released from death row. Are close calls OK?

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Just one, that's all. Show me!
    1. Cameron Todd Willingham—In 1992, Willingham was convicted of arson murder in Texas. He was believed to have intentionally set a fire that killed his three kids. In 2004, he was put to death. Unfortunately, the Texas Forensic Science Commission later found that the evidence was misinterpreted, and they concluded that none of the evidence used against Willingham was valid. As it turns out, the fire really was accidental.

    2. Ruben Cantu—Cantu was 17 at the time the crime he was alleged of committing took place. Cantu was convicted of capital murder, and in 1993, the Texas teen was executed. About 12 years after his death, investigations show that Cantu likely didn’t commit the murder. The lone eyewitness recanted his testimony, and Cantu’s co-defendant later admitted he allowed his friend to be falsely accused. He says Cantu wasn’t even there the night of the murder.

    3. Larry Griffin—Griffin was put to death in 1995 for the 1981 murder of Quintin Moss, a Missouri drug dealer. Griffin always maintained his innocence, and now, evidence seems to indicate he was telling the truth. The first police officer on the scene now says the eyewitness account was false, even though the officer supported the claims during the trial. Another eyewitness who was wounded during the attack was never contacted during the trial, and he says Griffin wasn’t present at the crime scene that night.

    4. Carlos DeLuna—In 1989, DeLuna was executed for the stabbing of a Texas convenience store clerk. Almost 20 years later, Chicago Tribune uncovered evidence that shows DeLuna was likely innocent. The evidence showed that Carlos Hernandez, a man who even confessed to the murder many times, actually did the crime.

    5. David Wayne Spence—Spence was put to death in 1997 for the murder of three teenagers in Texas. He was supposedly hired by a convenience store clerk to kill someone else, but he allegedly killed the wrong people by mistake. The supervising police lieutenant said “I do not think David Spence committed this crime.” The lead homicide detective agreed, saying “My opinion is that David Spence was innocent. Nothing from the investigation ever led us to any evidence that he was involved.”

    6. Jesse Tafero—In 1976, Tafero was convicted of murdering a state trooper. He and Sonia Jacobs were both sentenced to death for the crime. The main evidence used to convict them was testimony by someone else who was involved in the crime, ex-convict Walter Rhodes. Rhodes gave this testimony in exchange for a life sentence. In 1990, Tafero was put to death. Two years later, his companion Jacobs was released due to a lack of evidence…the same evidence used to put Tafero to death.

    7 & 8. Thomas Griffin and Meeks Griffin— The oldest case on this list dates back to 1915. The Griffin brothers, two black men, were convicted of the murder of a white man. The reason they were convicted is because Monk Stevenson, another black man suspected of committing the murder, pointed to the brothers as having been responsible. He later admitted the reason he blamed them is because they were wealthy, and he assumed they had the money to beat the charges. The Griffin brothers were completely innocent, but they were put to death nonetheless.
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    Re: Death Penalty

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    Just one, that's all. Show me!
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