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    Re: Death Penalty

    Few people say just YES always or NO always.

    I see a lot of "if", "when", "proof", "heinous" etc... Seems like some people are afraid to say "Yes, I support killing others!" or "No, the Death Penalty is wrong!". Then others can't identify why they feel a certain way. If you're not sure, say that. Don't put all these qualifiers on it because it is not a perfect system and never will be. If you execute people, someone innocent will be executed at some point.

    There are many reasons to keep or abolish the death penalty. I can rattle off my list of reasons, but that comes in discussion. I believe the Death Penalty is wrong. That should be obvious from my previous posts, I just wanted to make sure that was clear and I wanted to set an example of how a person can say just yes or no without all the if's ands or buts.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Every theory I have heard so far can be shot down.
    1) The death penalty is a deterrent. The death penalty does not influence murder rates in any way.
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    2) The death penalty is what murderers deserve. You know, because our justice system is perfect.
    List of exonerated death row inmates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    3) Everyone on here claims they would kill someone if they try to hurt their family. Rightfully so. You're defending your family. But what happens when the guy gets away after doing that and is apprehended? He's not a danger to your family anymore. He's in custody. Now you want him dead just because it makes you feel good. Well, if he hadn't done what he did to make himself feel good, you wouldn't be in that situation to begin with. So what makes you better for doing exactly what he did?
    4) It costs more to house them than to kill them. Disproven. You have to factor in the fees to deal with all of the appeals that occur on a capital punishment case. Very expensive.
    Costs of the Death Penalty | Death Penalty Information Center
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    Re: Death Penalty

    3) Everyone on here claims they would kill someone if they try to hurt their family. Rightfully so. You're defending your family. But what happens when the guy gets away after doing that and is apprehended? He's not a danger to your family anymore. He's in custody. Now you want him dead just because it makes you feel good. Well, if he hadn't done what he did to make himself feel good, you wouldn't be in that situation to begin with. So what makes you better for doing exactly what he did?
    4) It costs more to house them than to kill them. Disproven. You have to factor in the fees to deal with all of the appeals that occur on a capital punishment case. Very expensive.
    Costs of the Death Penalty | Death Penalty Information Center[/QUOTE]


    Your third point is incorrect. I believe most said that the would kill someone if they (seriously) hurt or killed someone they loved, or as they were trying to do so perhaps, but not necessarily if they tried. Obviously, trying to kill someone but not succeeding is not a death penalty crime.

    Your fourth point is easily solved. A much briefer appeals process. For example, one automatic appeal and one review from state and federal supreme courts.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by barbarian_style View Post
    Go back and please read my existing posts, you will see this is out of scope of my view of the death penalty unless you can state how it isn't, sorry sometimes I misinterpret peoples posts.
    This isn't "out of scope" with anything. This is functionally what happens when you have the death penalty around. Sorry if you don't like reality; but it's what we have to work with.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Cry me a river.
    No, instead I choose to be intelligent on this manner. There are certain things the government is allowed to do and certain purposes for which we put together the system we have. The Courts and the State were restricted in such a way as the State must be able to produce evidence demonstrating the accused guilty, and not the other way around. Everything falls onto the State. The courts were constructed such that innocence needs to be proven, else the individual goes free. It was designed so that one must demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that the individual is guilty. That means that everything is for the individual and the system was meant to release even those who were guilty of crime if not enough evidence is put forth.

    As such, we then have the death penalty. Something which certainly had served a purpose in the past; but no longer is necessary. And in our execution of the death penalty we find that not so rarely innocent people get caught up. The solution is not more death penalty, only a monkey would think that. The solution is to think through the costs and benefits of the death penalty to analyze its current worth. However, overall the death penalty provides very little to aggregate society, while costing so much. The benefits of the death penalty do not cover the costs. That's the end all be all.

    "Cry me a river"? That's your only comeback. What a truly pathetic post.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Only the guilty ones.
    But how do you know you're actually executing the guilty ones? We've had numerous cases of innocents executed. And you don't have absolute knowledge. So in your lack of absolute knowledge, how do you know you're actually executing the guilty ones?
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Your third point is incorrect. I believe most said that the would kill someone if they (seriously) hurt or killed someone they loved, or as they were trying to do so perhaps, but not necessarily if they tried. Obviously, trying to kill someone but not succeeding is not a death penalty crime.

    Your fourth point is easily solved. A much briefer appeals process. For example, one automatic appeal and one review from state and federal supreme courts.
    I believe he was saying that if you did kill that person -- after-- not during an attack, then you would be just as guilty and be a murderer too.

    As for the appeals process, if we did not have those safeguards there are greater chances of innocent people being executed, is this fair?

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    An unemployed trigger happy serial killer goes on a shooting spree and kills 10 people. What is his punishment? Free food and lodging.
    Jail, yes. It's not so much "free food and lodging", I mean, you aren't choosing to try to stay in jail are you? Free food and lodging, right? Must be SO much nicer in prison than out in the real world. So lets see you act out your conviction; go spend some time in jail. Get your free food and lodging, and then maybe come back and tell us how it compares to living outside of jail. Go on now.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    None, but that's not the point, the murderer has proven that they cannot safely exist in society, and the death penalty ensures safety for everyone from any further actions of there's.
    Life in prison surely serves the aggregate of society just as well, and without killing the individual thus removing the potential and inevitability of the State killing an innocent person through the exercise of the death penalty.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by surfbeach View Post
    When we are born, we are all here for a small amount of time; if anyone foreshortens someone else's time, why shouldn't the same apply to them?
    Because we're not monkeys. We're not mere animals without intelligence and conscious. We are humans, and we are capable of being more.
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