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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    While I am not familiar with State vs. Federal prosecution in DP cases and I did not mean to refer to States as opposed to Fed, you're welcome.

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    If the State used rape as a punishment, I think that would encourage rape.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    I voted no. This reminds me of Ghandi's quote "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
    Firstly, as a matter of principle I really don't find the death penalty to have any real value to society or to even be justified. How does stooping down to the level of a criminal make us any better than them? Just because a killing has been approved by the state does not mean it isn't murder. We as human beings fundamentally should not have the right do decide the final outcome of somebody's life. People will often argue the religious aspect that judgement comes after death; but I argue that even if there is no judgement in life or no "Higher Power", there is no circumstance that justifies our ability to decide who lives and who dies. Prison is a different situation entirely because it restrains people who present themselves as dangers to society and brings justice to heinous crimes.

    But death? I don't think that any situation justifies the human ability to play with the mechanisms of death.

    Not to mention that on a practical level it shouldn't be justified either. Jesse Tafero, Timothy Evans and Wayne Felker are just 3 examples of people wrongfully executed. It is not our right to put somebody to death, and to do so without the subject actually having committed the crime is a disgrace to humanity, and is the epitome of our violent nature.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeForSome? View Post
    I voted no. This reminds me of Ghandi's quote "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
    Firstly, as a matter of principle I really don't find the death penalty to have any real value to society or to even be justified. How does stooping down to the level of a criminal make us any better than them? Just because a killing has been approved by the state does not mean it isn't murder. We as human beings fundamentally should not have the right do decide the final outcome of somebody's life. People will often argue the religious aspect that judgement comes after death; but I argue that even if there is no judgement in life or no "Higher Power", there is no circumstance that justifies our ability to decide who lives and who dies. Prison is a different situation entirely because it restrains people who present themselves as dangers to society and brings justice to heinous crimes.

    But death? I don't think that any situation justifies the human ability to play with the mechanisms of death.

    Not to mention that on a practical level it shouldn't be justified either. Jesse Tafero, Timothy Evans and Wayne Felker are just 3 examples of people wrongfully executed. It is not our right to put somebody to death, and to do so without the subject actually having committed the crime is a disgrace to humanity, and is the epitome of our violent nature.
    Jesse Tafero innocent? Hardly. While it might be in dispute as to whether he or his partner killed to police officers--they blamed each other--he was not an innocent bystander and when caught, the murder weapon was in his possession. The only objection I have is that both men werent executed.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeForSome? View Post
    Not to mention that on a practical level it shouldn't be justified either. Jesse Tafero, Timothy Evans and Wayne Felker are just 3 examples of people wrongfully executed. It is not our right to put somebody to death, and to do so without the subject actually having committed the crime is a disgrace to humanity, and is the epitome of our violent nature.
    You have two contrasting and mutually exclusive arguments here. First, presuming that it is not our right to put somebody to death (an entirely moral stance which others my certainly differ with), it is wrong to kill regardless of innocence or guilt. To execute the innocent is certainly unjust, but a testament to human fallibility rather that violent nature. Their deaths are as non-violent as possible. Tafero and Felker were guilty beyond any significant doubt. Timothy Evans was executed in Britain in the 50s. He was essentially a man of very limited intelligence who had been manipulated by the necrophile/serial killer John Reginald Christie. In his case there is reasonable doubt as to his guilt.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Jesse Tafero innocent? Hardly. While it might be in dispute as to whether he or his partner killed to police officers--they blamed each other--he was not an innocent bystander and when caught, the murder weapon was in his possession. The only objection I have is that both men werent executed.
    Ah my apologies, I don't know the exact specifics of the case. But regardless, do you truly find it ethically and morally acceptable to put someone to death?

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeForSome? View Post
    Ah my apologies, I don't know the exact specifics of the case. But regardless, do you truly find it ethically and morally acceptable to put someone to death?
    I will answer for myself. Yes, I do find in morally and ethically acceptable. What I do find unacceptable is someone dictating what my morals and ethics should be.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeForSome? View Post
    Ah my apologies, I don't know the exact specifics of the case. But regardless, do you truly find it ethically and morally acceptable to put someone to death?
    I posted about this guy earlier, but my question to you would be, why isnt the death penalty appropriate for someone who would do what he did?
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I posted about this guy earlier, but my question to you would be, why isnt the death penalty appropriate for someone who would do what he did?
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    How about this piece of work - Richard Allen Davis:

    A San Jose, California, Superior Court jury recommended the death sentence for Davis on August 5, 1996. After the verdict was read, Davis stood and gestured obscenely at the courtroom with both hands. Later, at his formal sentencing, Davis read a statement claiming that Klaas had said to Davis, "Just don’t do me like my dad," just before Davis killed her, implying that Klaas' father was a child molester. Klaas' father, Marc Klaas, reacted angrily and left the courtroom to avoid causing further commotion. Judge Thomas C. Hastings proceeded with the formality of the death sentence, saying "Mr. Davis, this is always a traumatic and emotional decision for a judge. You made it very easy today by your conduct."[


    Of course he will die a natural death because California can't bring itself to execute anyone in the name of its people.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Allen_Davis
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    I will answer for myself. Yes, I do find in morally and ethically acceptable. What I do find unacceptable is someone dictating what my morals and ethics should be.
    I wasn't trying to enforce my own moral values on you. I was genuinely asking whether people thought such action was justified.

    And Fletch, wow that is an incredibly disturbing person. At the same time, I don't see how our killing an individual makes anything better? Was he in no way mentally disturbed, out of curiosity?
    While I'm all for justice, keep the man in a prison for his entire life (he absolutely deserves it); but I simply can't condone the use of death as a punishment. Taking away somebody's life isn't something that we should have the right to do, in my opinion.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    I support the death penalty providing in a capital case where the death penalty is on the table, the defendant is afforded a first class defense team that stands up to the assets and advantages of the prosecution. I support the death penalty if this defense team continues to the appeals stage.
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