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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by cthomp View Post
    If they commit murder they should pay the price. It is a horrible crime. The person they kill cannot come back and neither should they.
    The person you kill can not come back either. What satisfaction does it give the victims when a murderer is killed?

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didnít have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, Iím allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and Iíve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I donít, before you know it, you wonít let me say nothing at all"
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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    The person you kill can not come back either. What satisfaction does it give the victims when a murderer is killed?
    I cannot answer this as I have never experienced this myself. I can only say myself that it is a bit of closure.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    The person you kill can not come back either. What satisfaction does it give the victims when a murderer is killed?
    Would you like to hear from your kids muderer 20 years later clambering he found "Jesus" I know how I would feel, do you?
    Last edited by barbarian_style; 03-04-12 at 02:42 AM.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by cthomp View Post
    I cannot answer this as I have never experienced this myself. I can only say myself that it is a bit of closure.
    The death penalty offers a false promise of closure to victims’ families, who are led to believe that an execution will bring relief. While families wait through the lengthy, roller-coaster appeals process, reliving our original pain again and again, the focus remains on the murderer rather that on the victims or on our own anguish as surviving family members. The death penalty is a distraction from victims’ real needs, not a solution.

    — New Hampshire Representative Renny Cushing, whose father, Robert, was murdered
    The death penalty won't bring my brother back or help to apprehend his murderer. We need to start investing in programs that will actually improve public safety and get more killers off the streets.

    — Judy Kerr, California, whose brother was murdered
    It is vitally important that our state address the needs of surviving family and friends as we struggle to heal. We know that elected officials who promote the death penalty often do so with the best intention of helping family members like us. We are writing to say that there are better ways to help us. The death penalty is a broken and costly system... and victims' families like ours don't want it.

    — Letter urging repeal of the death penalty signed by 49 Marylanders who have lost a loved one to murder, Aug. 19, 2008
    Quotes by Families of Homicide Victims | Equal Justice USA

    As for those who are convinced they will feel satisfaction: Sister Helen Prejean:
    "Vernon Harvey the father said "I can't wait to see him fry." After the execution the press all waited for the Harveys outside the gates of Angola, Louisiana's State Penitentiary. They said "Mr. Harvey you got your wish tonight, you got to watch Robert Lee Willie die. "How do you feel now?" and he answered "He died too quick, I hope he fries in hell for all eternity." He could have watched Robert Lee Willie die and die and die -- and never be satisfied or find peace of mind. I looked across at him --I was standing there in the parking lot outside the prison-- and saw a very thirty man who had just had a long drink of salt water."

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didnít have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, Iím allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and Iíve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I donít, before you know it, you wonít let me say nothing at all"
    --Randolph J. Dworkin

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Quotes by Families of Homicide Victims | Equal Justice USA

    As for those who are convinced they will feel satisfaction: Sister Helen Prejean:
    "Vernon Harvey the father said "I can't wait to see him fry." After the execution the press all waited for the Harveys outside the gates of Angola, Louisiana's State Penitentiary. They said "Mr. Harvey you got your wish tonight, you got to watch Robert Lee Willie die. "How do you feel now?" and he answered "He died too quick, I hope he fries in hell for all eternity." He could have watched Robert Lee Willie die and die and die -- and never be satisfied or find peace of mind. I looked across at him --I was standing there in the parking lot outside the prison-- and saw a very thirty man who had just had a long drink of salt water."
    I still stay strong on my view. This is only 4 families. If someone were to kill one of my family members or friends I would want that person dead.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    The person you kill can not come back either. What satisfaction does it give the victims when a murderer is killed?
    None, but that's not the point, the murderer has proven that they cannot safely exist in society, and the death penalty ensures safety for everyone from any further actions of there's.
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    Re: Death Penalty

    It all boils down to Retributive Justice - the punishment must fit the crime.

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    Re: Death Penalty

    When we are born, we are all here for a small amount of time; if anyone foreshortens someone else's time, why shouldn't the same apply to them?

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by cthomp View Post
    I still stay strong on my view. This is only 4 families. If someone were to kill one of my family members or friends I would want that person dead.
    I could find several more. I used 4 because I thought that would be sufficient to prove my point. Revenge rarely tastes as sweet as it sounds.

    It's like having someone finally admit to something they denied. You think it will make you feel better until a few moments after it happens and then you realize it did not feel as good as you thought it would and something is still missing.

    Who are we to decide who is truly guilty? What if we execute an innocent person? What if the convicted is mentally ill or disabled?

    What about this case, was Stayner's mental capacity a factor? Where did his mental issues come from? What about the effects on his family? Cary Stayner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didnít have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, Iím allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and Iíve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I donít, before you know it, you wonít let me say nothing at all"
    --Randolph J. Dworkin

    ďReading makes a full man, meditation a profound man, discourse a clear man.Ē
    -- Ben Franklin

    "It has been said that something as small as the flutter of a butterfly's wing can ultimately cause a typhoon halfway around the world"
    -- Chaos Theory

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    Re: Death Penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by barbarian_style View Post
    Would you like to hear from your kids muderer 20 years later clambering he found "Jesus" I know how I would feel, do you?
    Yup, I would say it is long overdue and do everything and anything possible to help him be with his newly found salvation as soon as possible. What happens after that would be up to "Jesus".

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