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Thread: Is Obama Bluffing?

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    Re: Is Obama Bluffing?

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    I am so sick and tired of treating crisis overseas with bigger urgency then our current economic problems. There are so many things we need fixed here in America, the last thing I care about is war between two countries that are still fighting religous wars with no end in sight. Iran will never launch a nuclear weapon, they know they would get blown off the map. American's would be shocked to find out that everything would be A.O.K. if we didn't get involved in this B.S.
    what a fascinating duo of assumptions.

    Allow me to fill in some other interesting predictions that use the same logic:

    "Iran will never send members of its' military to Iraq and Afghanistan to Kill Americans, because it knows that the US Military would respond in kind."
    "Iran would never plan to assassinate a Saudi Arabian Ambassador on US Soil because it knows that the backlash would be too great."
    "Iran would never claim wiping Israel off the face of the planet as an intention because it knows that it lacks the capability and would lose international good will for doing so."


    What in the world makes you think that Iranian leadership believes that they would receive a nuclear response if Israel was wiped out in a successful First Strike that could be successfully pinned on a proxy such as, (say) Hezbollah? Do you really think that the US would nuke Iran? That Obama would nuke Iran post facto? Yeesh, and they say that neocons are always imposing their cultural assuptions on others.

    When you think of how Iranians view foreigners, think about a pack of wolves. When we try to negotiate and offer compromise, they interpret that as us turning over on our back and offering our belly. It demonstrates to them that they are A) justified in what they are doing and B) therefore need not worry about response from us. We are, after all, too weak and afraid to wish to do anything. That is why they stopped their development (and it is why Libya gave up its WMD's alltogether) after the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and started it up again after the development of a major anti-war movement here in the States. They perceive that we lack the will to stop them.

    However, don't kid yourself. Obama will blast these guys into the stone age if necessary.
    I would hope so - it's just that I see no evidence whatsoever to support that claim, and plenty that argues against it.
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    Re: Is Obama Bluffing?

    Personally, if I were Netanyahu, and Obama assured me the US would cover my back, I'd be a bit skeptical. He's most likely just campaigning and trying to regain some Jewish votes.
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    Re: Is Obama Bluffing?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Personally, if I were Netanyahu, and Obama assured me the US would cover my back, I'd be a bit skeptical. He's most likely just campaigning and trying to regain some Jewish votes.
    The US has nothing to gain by attacking Iran..

    If Israel is so keen to do it, then they should go right ahead.


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    Re: Is Obama Bluffing?

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    The US has nothing to gain by attacking Iran..

    If Israel is so keen to do it, then they should go right ahead.


    Israel Doesn’t Need the West Bank To Be Secure
    Where did I say or indicate otherwise?
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    Re: Is Obama Bluffing?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Personally, if I were Netanyahu, and Obama assured me the US would cover my back, I'd be a bit skeptical
    yeah, I think I would ask the Poles how they felt about that before I based my nations survival on my trust and confidence in the current administrations' Iron Will to defend it's allies.

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    Re: Is Obama Bluffing?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yeah, I think I would ask the Poles how they felt about that before I based my nations survival on my trust and confidence in the current administrations' Iron Will to defend it's allies.
    Israel has been a terrible ally and is of no strategic importance to the US.

    If they were attacked by Iran, we should defend them (that's quite a fantasy) but otherwise there is no reason for the US to be goaded into a war by Bibi Netanyahu.

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    Re: Is Obama Bluffing?

    I do not beleive he is bluffing by any means. He has many options before an actual war and he is using those tools before he would entertain a war.

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    Re: Is Obama Bluffing?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The one who is gong to decide if there will be a war or not is Iran, not the US.
    Like Iraq decided there would be a war on them by the most powerful military on the planet???

    What will be your sign of an act of war against the US by Iran?
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    Re: Is Obama Bluffing?

    I am sick of us being the "save the world" gov. Save our damn country and then I will jump back on the bandwagonof trying to save the damn world.
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    Re: Is Obama Bluffing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    In your opinion is there a good option?
    Yes. The best option is the immediate creation of a national program with the mission of transitioning the country away from oil as soon as possible.

    If we can put men on the moon with 1960s electronics, we can innovate a non-fossil based domestic energy source. The Iranian nuclear program is funded by oil sales.

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