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Should Employers be Forced to Pay for Porn?

Should society pay for porn?

  • Yes, men should have free, risk-free avenues for sexual satisfaction too

    Votes: 5 23.8%
  • No, civil rights only apply to minority groups

    Votes: 1 4.8%
  • No, the government should not pay, or force others to pay, for sex

    Votes: 2 9.5%
  • No, that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard because...

    Votes: 13 61.9%

  • Total voters
    21
I don't really know of any. I'm going by personal experience based on what I've seen in the pharmacies I've worked at. Although we never stocked male enhancement pills or pumps (Thank goodness).

There were some cases where medicaid paid for condoms (very few). What I found funny is 100% of the males who bought them purchased magnums (not kidding, might be one exception). All of the females purchased lubricated, normal, or those thermal ones.

Oh, they do cover them. It's funny because the pill has other medical benefits besides just being used as a contraceptive, while while those pumps aren't good for anything other than, well I'd rather not think about it.
 
Oh, they do cover them. It's funny because the pill has other medical benefits besides just being used as a contraceptive, while while those pumps aren't good for anything other than, well I'd rather not think about it.

In some cases Medicaid required us to put in things called diagnosis codes or have the physician contact the insurance company (the latter is very common). Again though, I don't have experience with those "medications." The only time I've really seen it is when a woman was prescribed Viagra and the physician had to tell the insurance company it was for treating some heart condition.
 
The Op is misinformed. No employer is being forced to pay for contraception. Insurance companies are being forced to cover the costs of such, which can be quite high.

I don't see anyone bitching that they already cover the cost of ED treatments.

Employers are being forced to pay for that insurance, which is being forced to cover contraception. The inclusion of a middleman changes nothing whatsoever about the blatant immorality of this mandate.
 
Employers are being forced to pay for that insurance, which is being forced to cover contraception. The inclusion of a middleman changes nothing whatsoever about the blatant immorality of this mandate.

Yes: employers shouldn't be covering everyone's healthcare.

Senseless!
 
Yes: employers shouldn't be covering everyone's healthcare.

Senseless!

Is that an argument or just more of the same old what I want I better get?
 
...What?

Birth control is a first-line treatment for all kinds of actual illnesses, including PCOS (which is the most common reproductive disorder in women), endometriosis, persistent cysts, and a variety of other more minor conditions like very heavy/painful periods, acne, irregular periods, on and on and on...

But even if that weren't the case, as others have brought up, some insurance companies pay for things like Viagra. Most cover pre-natal care, and isn't becoming a parent as much a choice as having sex? How dare we force the employers to pay for other people's choices! A choice which involved sex, no less. Oh, but it resulted in a baby, so it must be ok. :roll:
 
This premise is fecked. If employers are going to pay for porn for men, why shouldn't they pay for women to view porn as well? Can't you religious sexists get it right? Why do you paint half the population of the U.S. with a broad brush? The "little woman" shouldn't like porn, right? She should be making biscuits and waiting for you to come home and have missionary sex.
 
I am very curious, though - as to how the line is drawn RE 'birth control' (the hormonal type) vs hormone therapy. . . the only dfiference for some is the marketing of the pill - not the content of the pill.

Do those who oppose paying for bc also oppose paying for hormonal therapy?
 
What this really is, people, is the argument that employers should be able to withhold insurance coverage for medical treatments that based on "religious or moral objection."

So, would it be okay for employers to withhold insurance coverage for blood transfusions because the employer objects?

How about organ transplants? There are folks who have moral or religious objections to them.

Maybe it would be okay to withhold insurance coverage for the children of employees that were born out of wedlock? That's a moral no-no to a lot of folks.

Let's withhold insurance coverage for cancer treatments, because after all it's God's decision when and how we die, not man's.

Perhaps it's okay for employers to decide to withhold insurance coverage for any kind of medical treatment for female reproductive problems. If God wants her to have babies, she'll have them. If not, fugettabout it.

While we're at it, let's give employers the ability to withhold insurance coverage for pain medication for their employees, because they morally object to wussies.

If we as a nation give employers the opportunity to withhold insurance coverage for any legitimate medical service based on their own "moral and religious objections", then what I've listed above is no longer nonsensical. It is absolutely within the mandate for any employer to do to its employees... simply provide the cheapest possible insurance by withholding nearly every medical service the employer might possibly need. It lays the groundwork for unbelievable abuse, along with the blatant discrimination to women that has already been described. It is, in a word, unconscionable.
 
What this really is, people, is the argument that employers should be able to withhold insurance coverage for medical treatments that based on "religious or moral objection."

So, would it be okay for employers to withhold insurance coverage for blood transfusions because the employer objects?

How about organ transplants? There are folks who have moral or religious objections to them.

Maybe it would be okay to withhold insurance coverage for the children of employees that were born out of wedlock? That's a moral no-no to a lot of folks.

Let's withhold insurance coverage for cancer treatments, because after all it's God's decision when and how we die, not man's.

Perhaps it's okay for employers to decide to withhold insurance coverage for any kind of medical treatment for female reproductive problems. If God wants her to have babies, she'll have them. If not, fugettabout it.

While we're at it, let's give employers the ability to withhold insurance coverage for pain medication for their employees, because they morally object to wussies.

If we as a nation give employers the opportunity to withhold insurance coverage for any legitimate medical service based on their own "moral and religious objections", then what I've listed above is no longer nonsensical. It is absolutely within the mandate for any employer to do to its employees... simply provide the cheapest possible insurance by withholding nearly every medical service the employer might possibly need. It lays the groundwork for unbelievable abuse, along with the blatant discrimination to women that has already been described. It is, in a word, unconscionable.

Or they could just provide none at all. They didn't used to.
 
What this really is, people, is the argument that employers should be able to withhold insurance coverage for medical treatments that based on "religious or moral objection."...

should Muslim employes be able to withhold insurance coverage for alchohol poisoning, or food poisoning due to ingesting pork?

should Jewish employers be able to withhold insurance coverage for food poisoning from eating shrimp and a cheeseburger?

should Mormon employers be able to withhold insurance coverage for treatment of an STD contracted during pre-marital sex?

where does it end???
 
humorous detour: every time I see "where does it end" I think of Wayne Gale from Natural Born Killers snarling "Tomorrow, they might clean my mind... or dump me into ****ing syndication, because they feel what I say is dangerous. Where does it all end?"

LOL

anyway!
 
...What?

Birth control is a first-line treatment for all kinds of actual illnesses, including PCOS (which is the most common reproductive disorder in women), endometriosis, persistent cysts, and a variety of other more minor conditions like very heavy/painful periods, acne, irregular periods, on and on and on...

But even if that weren't the case, as others have brought up, some insurance companies pay for things like Viagra. Most cover pre-natal care, and isn't becoming a parent as much a choice as having sex? How dare we force the employers to pay for other people's choices! A choice which involved sex, no less. Oh, but it resulted in a baby, so it must be ok. :roll:

If you can afford insurance, you can likely afford BC medications.
All this does is subsidize middle and upper class women, who would of already purchased these things, in the first place.
 
If you can afford insurance, you can likely afford BC medications.
All this does is subsidize middle and upper class women, who would of already purchased these things, in the first place.

Good point: without people direclty involved with the overall cost of their birth contro lit will just skyrocket in price.

Remove the people who have the complaints - put the insurance companies on the hook - customer input and oversight is gone - prices are hiked.

That's actually EXACTLY why everything about medical-this and that is so expensive to begin with! INdividuals stopped paying = individuals stopped KNOWING. I bet you most people have no clue how much their insurance actually pays for or costs each month.

But if you were paying penny for penny on every one of your expenses you'd know - oh yeah, you'd know.
 
Good point: without people direclty involved with the overall cost of their birth contro lit will just skyrocket in price.

Remove the people who have the complaints - put the insurance companies on the hook - customer input and oversight is gone - prices are hiked.

That's actually EXACTLY why everything about medical-this and that is so expensive to begin with! INdividuals stopped paying = individuals stopped KNOWING. I bet you most people have no clue how much their insurance actually pays for or costs each month.

But if you were paying penny for penny on every one of your expenses you'd know - oh yeah, you'd know.

Exactly, everyone loves perceptively free stuff.
Most people don't actually know how insurance is supposed to function though.
 
Exactly, everyone loves perceptively free stuff.
Most people don't actually know how insurance is supposed to function though.

absolutely: I was surprised to find out, actually, that though I hadn't gone to a dr in countless years for any reason - and osmetimes when I should have I knew I didnt' have enough for the copay - our money for that insurance out of our paychecks plus the monye from the government to boot the greater portion all went to 'us' through the pool of everyone else.

So: we were just supporting everyone on the shoestring chance I'd relapse.
 
Good point: without people direclty involved with the overall cost of their birth contro lit will just skyrocket in price.

Remove the people who have the complaints - put the insurance companies on the hook - customer input and oversight is gone - prices are hiked.

That's actually EXACTLY why everything about medical-this and that is so expensive to begin with! INdividuals stopped paying = individuals stopped KNOWING. I bet you most people have no clue how much their insurance actually pays for or costs each month.

But if you were paying penny for penny on every one of your expenses you'd know - oh yeah, you'd know.

This is all correct, which is why third-party payers should be taken out of the equation. This includes any "single-payer" the government would be.

Perhaps be insured for something truly catstrophic, but people got along just fine for a long, long time paying for most stuff out of pocket, and costs were not outrageous.

Checkups, broken arms, normal maintenance . . . pay for it out of pocket.
 
absolutely: I was surprised to find out, actually, that though I hadn't gone to a dr in countless years for any reason - and osmetimes when I should have I knew I didnt' have enough for the copay - our money for that insurance out of our paychecks plus the monye from the government to boot the greater portion all went to 'us' through the pool of everyone else.

So: we were just supporting everyone on the shoestring chance I'd relapse.

I've paid around 80$ a month every year for 5 years, + my company claims to pay around $200 for my insurance every month, when I've used it once in 5 years.
That was for a couple of vaccinations.
Also, my company is self insured.

I'm basically paying $80 a month, so that morbidly obese guy can get his regular care with no increase in premium, while I a smoker, have to pay more and I use no care.
Gotta love all the mandates, pc crap and toying with what's supposed to be insurance.
 
If you can afford insurance, you can likely afford BC medications.
All this does is subsidize middle and upper class women, who would of already purchased these things, in the first place.

Only the very wealthy can afford individual health insurance for their families. Working folk depend upon the lower-premium group plans offered through their employers... and yes, they usually have to pay most of all of the premiums themselves. In these cases, employees are being asked to pay for health insurance that doesn't contain coverage for anything the employer has a "moral or religious objection" to. Employers should not have this kind of power over their employee's medical service needs.

BTW, who are we to decide what medical service any family can and cannot afford to pay themselves? Even contraceptives can cost several hundred dollars a year. That is not a minor expense to any family in this economy.

Oh, and poor women won't be affected at all, since they get freebies via medicaid.
 
Only the very wealthy can afford individual health insurance for their families. Working folk depend upon the lower-premium group plans offered through their employers... and yes, they usually have to pay most of all of the premiums themselves. In these cases, employees are being asked to pay for health insurance that doesn't contain coverage for anything the employer has a "moral or religious objection" to. Employers should not have this kind of power over their employee's medical service needs.

BTW, who are we to decide what medical service any family can and cannot afford to pay themselves? Even contraceptives can cost several hundred dollars a year. That is not a minor expense to any family in this economy.

Oh, and poor women won't be affected at all, since they get freebies via medicaid.

Birth control is very cheap, compared to just about every other kind of medication in existence, sans OTC stuff like aspirin.
The yearly insurance premiums would multiple times larger in cost than the depo shot, the pill, etc.

It's really ridiculous to assume that someone can afford the insurance, but not some inexpensive BC stuff.
It's a political freebie, nothing else.

You're right, poor women get free BC via, local health departments, medicaid, private charity networks, etc, etc.
 
Only the very wealthy can afford individual health insurance for their families.

:2wave: Seeing as I do, and I'm not of the very wealthy, I can't agree with this.

It's Blue Cross/Blue Shield, by the way, not some unknown or hard-to-find coverage.
 
I've paid around 80$ a month every year for 5 years, + my company claims to pay around $200 for my insurance every month, when I've used it once in 5 years.
That was for a couple of vaccinations.
Also, my company is self insured.

I'm basically paying $80 a month, so that morbidly obese guy can get his regular care with no increase in premium, while I a smoker, have to pay more and I use no care.
Gotta love all the mandates, pc crap and toying with what's supposed to be insurance.

No, smokers as a whole require more care and lots of care as their end-lives are tortuously sustained at the edge of death for years, insurance has no alternative but to shift the costs to them. I doubt it has anything to do with pc...
 
...What?

Birth control is a first-line treatment for all kinds of actual illnesses, including PCOS (which is the most common reproductive disorder in women), endometriosis, persistent cysts, and a variety of other more minor conditions like very heavy/painful periods, acne, irregular periods, on and on and on...

Why do people think this is a valid argument? Because your problems are my problems? That the government is meant to solve all your problems? Where exactly does this argument even begin to matter when talking about government?

Btw, that whole endometriosis thing I have yet to see someone show prove that birth control does anything more than treat the pain of it.
 
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:2wave: Seeing as I do, and I'm not of the very wealthy, I can't agree with this.

It's Blue Cross/Blue Shield, by the way, not some unknown or hard-to-find coverage.

whats the full name of your plan, what do you pay and Id like a link to what it actually covers

I dont need it currently but the one time i looked into it i found nothing that was even comparable to my job health care for anything less than 700$ a month for me and my daughter. and like I said it was even nearly as good.

and with the 700$ plan it didnt have dental or eye.
 
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