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    Re: Should Employers be Forced to Pay for Porn?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Exactly, everyone loves perceptively free stuff.
    Most people don't actually know how insurance is supposed to function though.
    absolutely: I was surprised to find out, actually, that though I hadn't gone to a dr in countless years for any reason - and osmetimes when I should have I knew I didnt' have enough for the copay - our money for that insurance out of our paychecks plus the monye from the government to boot the greater portion all went to 'us' through the pool of everyone else.

    So: we were just supporting everyone on the shoestring chance I'd relapse.
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    Re: Should Employers be Forced to Pay for Porn?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Good point: without people direclty involved with the overall cost of their birth contro lit will just skyrocket in price.

    Remove the people who have the complaints - put the insurance companies on the hook - customer input and oversight is gone - prices are hiked.

    That's actually EXACTLY why everything about medical-this and that is so expensive to begin with! INdividuals stopped paying = individuals stopped KNOWING. I bet you most people have no clue how much their insurance actually pays for or costs each month.

    But if you were paying penny for penny on every one of your expenses you'd know - oh yeah, you'd know.
    This is all correct, which is why third-party payers should be taken out of the equation. This includes any "single-payer" the government would be.

    Perhaps be insured for something truly catstrophic, but people got along just fine for a long, long time paying for most stuff out of pocket, and costs were not outrageous.

    Checkups, broken arms, normal maintenance . . . pay for it out of pocket.
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    Re: Should Employers be Forced to Pay for Porn?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    absolutely: I was surprised to find out, actually, that though I hadn't gone to a dr in countless years for any reason - and osmetimes when I should have I knew I didnt' have enough for the copay - our money for that insurance out of our paychecks plus the monye from the government to boot the greater portion all went to 'us' through the pool of everyone else.

    So: we were just supporting everyone on the shoestring chance I'd relapse.
    I've paid around 80$ a month every year for 5 years, + my company claims to pay around $200 for my insurance every month, when I've used it once in 5 years.
    That was for a couple of vaccinations.
    Also, my company is self insured.

    I'm basically paying $80 a month, so that morbidly obese guy can get his regular care with no increase in premium, while I a smoker, have to pay more and I use no care.
    Gotta love all the mandates, pc crap and toying with what's supposed to be insurance.
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    Re: Should Employers be Forced to Pay for Porn?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If you can afford insurance, you can likely afford BC medications.
    All this does is subsidize middle and upper class women, who would of already purchased these things, in the first place.
    Only the very wealthy can afford individual health insurance for their families. Working folk depend upon the lower-premium group plans offered through their employers... and yes, they usually have to pay most of all of the premiums themselves. In these cases, employees are being asked to pay for health insurance that doesn't contain coverage for anything the employer has a "moral or religious objection" to. Employers should not have this kind of power over their employee's medical service needs.

    BTW, who are we to decide what medical service any family can and cannot afford to pay themselves? Even contraceptives can cost several hundred dollars a year. That is not a minor expense to any family in this economy.

    Oh, and poor women won't be affected at all, since they get freebies via medicaid.

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    Re: Should Employers be Forced to Pay for Porn?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Only the very wealthy can afford individual health insurance for their families. Working folk depend upon the lower-premium group plans offered through their employers... and yes, they usually have to pay most of all of the premiums themselves. In these cases, employees are being asked to pay for health insurance that doesn't contain coverage for anything the employer has a "moral or religious objection" to. Employers should not have this kind of power over their employee's medical service needs.

    BTW, who are we to decide what medical service any family can and cannot afford to pay themselves? Even contraceptives can cost several hundred dollars a year. That is not a minor expense to any family in this economy.

    Oh, and poor women won't be affected at all, since they get freebies via medicaid.
    Birth control is very cheap, compared to just about every other kind of medication in existence, sans OTC stuff like aspirin.
    The yearly insurance premiums would multiple times larger in cost than the depo shot, the pill, etc.

    It's really ridiculous to assume that someone can afford the insurance, but not some inexpensive BC stuff.
    It's a political freebie, nothing else.

    You're right, poor women get free BC via, local health departments, medicaid, private charity networks, etc, etc.
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    Re: Should Employers be Forced to Pay for Porn?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Only the very wealthy can afford individual health insurance for their families.
    Seeing as I do, and I'm not of the very wealthy, I can't agree with this.

    It's Blue Cross/Blue Shield, by the way, not some unknown or hard-to-find coverage.
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    Re: Should Employers be Forced to Pay for Porn?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I've paid around 80$ a month every year for 5 years, + my company claims to pay around $200 for my insurance every month, when I've used it once in 5 years.
    That was for a couple of vaccinations.
    Also, my company is self insured.

    I'm basically paying $80 a month, so that morbidly obese guy can get his regular care with no increase in premium, while I a smoker, have to pay more and I use no care.
    Gotta love all the mandates, pc crap and toying with what's supposed to be insurance.
    No, smokers as a whole require more care and lots of care as their end-lives are tortuously sustained at the edge of death for years, insurance has no alternative but to shift the costs to them. I doubt it has anything to do with pc...

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    Re: Should Employers be Forced to Pay for Porn?

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    No, smokers as a whole require more care and lots of care as their end-lives are tortuously sustained at the edge of death for years, insurance has no alternative but to shift the costs to them. I doubt it has anything to do with pc...
    Incorrect.
    Smokers are cheaper compared to obese people, yet smokers are charged a higher premium.
    It's pc crap, not science driving the pricing.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/he...1.9748884.html
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    Re: Should Employers be Forced to Pay for Porn?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    ...What?

    Birth control is a first-line treatment for all kinds of actual illnesses, including PCOS (which is the most common reproductive disorder in women), endometriosis, persistent cysts, and a variety of other more minor conditions like very heavy/painful periods, acne, irregular periods, on and on and on...
    Why do people think this is a valid argument? Because your problems are my problems? That the government is meant to solve all your problems? Where exactly does this argument even begin to matter when talking about government?

    Btw, that whole endometriosis thing I have yet to see someone show prove that birth control does anything more than treat the pain of it.
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    Re: Should Employers be Forced to Pay for Porn?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Seeing as I do, and I'm not of the very wealthy, I can't agree with this.

    It's Blue Cross/Blue Shield, by the way, not some unknown or hard-to-find coverage.
    whats the full name of your plan, what do you pay and Id like a link to what it actually covers

    I dont need it currently but the one time i looked into it i found nothing that was even comparable to my job health care for anything less than 700$ a month for me and my daughter. and like I said it was even nearly as good.

    and with the 700$ plan it didnt have dental or eye.
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