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    Re: Should Employers be Forced to Pay for Porn?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Same question, can you give me some examples of major religious groups who object to smoking cessation drugs on religious grounds? That is why I chose porn and not ED or other elective drugs. Although again, I think people should have choices in what insurance plans they get and what those plans cover. For example, I should be able to choose a cheaper plan that doesn't cover smoking cessation drugs because I don't smoke. But maybe wanting personal freedom is just a selfish preference for me.
    Well even the cheapest plan covers smoke cessation drugs now. That is beside the point. The Catholic church and any church be it a charity or not is still a business. If you really wanted to follow the bible then we needn't have any science to help in anyway. Of course, we would go through like 3 popes every 10 years if the Catholics followed that line.
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    Re: Should Employers be Forced to Pay for Porn?

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    I had my gallbladder taken out in 1996 as emergency surgery and I was uninsured. I owed a substantial amount and I got itemized bills from the hospital, surgeon, anesthesiologist etc... the hospital was charging me something like $3.00 per guaze pad. How do suppliers get away with it?

    I can understand the pharmaceutical issue to a point. They are regulated very heavily and have to contend with patent limits, research costs, studies, the FDA etc.. etc... but friggin' gauze pads?
    They will literally recover every cent possible through increased margins and itemized billing. That's the messed up part of the system, it's set up to the disadvantage of the provider which rolls down to the consumer. A lot of people put faith in the last bill passed, but it actually puts more of a burden on the provider, insurer, and ultimately will roll over the consumer.
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    Re: Should Employers be Forced to Pay for Porn?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Well even the cheapest plan covers smoke cessation drugs now. That is beside the point. The Catholic church and any church be it a charity or not is still a business. If you really wanted to follow the bible then we needn't have any science to help in anyway. Of course, we would go through like 3 popes every 10 years if the Catholics followed that line.
    Ok, you lost me. How is forcing the church to pay for birth control and morning after abortion pills the same as having science? How is the Bible opposed to science? What does being a business have to do with forfeiting religious liberty? I think you need to take some time explaining that post.
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    Re: Should Employers be Forced to Pay for Porn?

    "The church" is not paying for birth control in any way. Insurance plans are now required to cover it, as most of them did already. If a church wants to start a business, they need to follow the same rules as everybody else. Their right to discriminate ends when they enter the business world. Simple logic will tell you this is going to save everybody money. Preventative health care is what we should be focused on as it leads to healthier people and saves us all money. Birth control pills costs about $300-$600 a year. One birth in a hospital including anesthesia, stitches, IV medications, possible surgery, and a 2-3 day stay after delivery will be thousands of dollars. The cost of an unplanned child the parents aren't prepared to provide for costs society much more. This isn't hard guys...
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    Re: Should Employers be Forced to Pay for Porn?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Suddenly it is a civil right for the government to force employers, including religious employers, to provide birth control to their employees. Democrats are making the argument that birth control is prohibitively priced and that women cannot have protected sex unless someone else buys their birth control for them. Kathleen Sebelius has suggested that the mandate for employers to buy their employee's birth control will pay for itself because we won't have as many of those pesky babies to pay for.

    So here is the question, if paying so that women can satisfy their sexual desires without consequences is a civil rights issue, what about men's sexual desires? Shouldn't the government make employers buy porn for their male employees? Unlike female employees who may need intimacy and relationship to satisfy them, most men are visually stimulated and can "handle" it themselves. So what do you think? If society should pay for safe, baby free sexual satisfaction for women, shouldn't society pay for it for men too?
    You are looking at this in way the wrong way. Paying for contraception doesn't just benefit the student. It also benefits society because we have more people finishing college and entering the productive workforce. There is no benefit to encouraging a system where women are more likely to have unwanted pregnancies and have to drop out of college, do worse in college because they now have to take care of a baby, get less impressive jobs because they are now single mothers, default on their loans, have to take out more loans to pay for their babies, etc. The church policy also discourages women from entering into serious relationships, which has the potentially to hurt these women (and men) as well in the long run, as most serious relationships begin in college.

    The policy also helps men because, last time I checked, men run into trouble when they have unwanted children as well.

    Porn, on the other hand, discourages students from doing school work, being productive, and being social. Plus, porn is available for free from any computer. The two situations are not similar at all.

    At the end of the day, birth control costs < babies. And while students remain dirt poor, the public is going to be paying for either.
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    Re: Should Employers be Forced to Pay for Porn?

    So here is the question, if paying so that women can satisfy their sexual desires without consequences is a civil rights issue, what about men's sexual desires? Shouldn't the government make employers buy porn for their male employees? Unlike female employees who may need intimacy and relationship to satisfy them, most men are visually stimulated and can "handle" it themselves. So what do you think? If society should pay for safe, baby free sexual satisfaction for women, shouldn't society pay for it for men too?
    Who exactly do you think these women with birth control are having sex with?

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    Re: Should Employers be Forced to Pay for Porn?

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    Who exactly do you think these women with birth control are having sex with?
    Who says we are. See my post #107 this thread. I'm
    All good.

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    Re: Should Employers be Forced to Pay for Porn?

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Who says we are. See my post #107 this thread. I'm
    All good.
    Yes, but he was talking about paying for women to "satisfy their sexual desires" and how that relates to paying for birth control.

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    Re: Should Employers be Forced to Pay for Porn?

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    Yes, but he was talking about paying for women to "satisfy their sexual desires" and how that relates to paying for birth control.
    Damn, sarcasm.

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