View Poll Results: What is your opinion when Obama is compared to Ghandi and Mandela?

Voters
34. You may not vote on this poll
  • Obama is above Ghandi and Mandela

    1 2.94%
  • Obama is on par with Ghandi and Mandela

    1 2.94%
  • Obama is below Ghandi and Mandela

    5 14.71%
  • Comparing Obama to Ghandi and Mandela is an insult to Ghandi and Mandela

    27 79.41%
Page 9 of 11 FirstFirst ... 7891011 LastLast
Results 81 to 90 of 101

Thread: Obama = Ghandi, Mandela?

  1. #81
    Mr. Professional
    Mensch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Northern Virginia
    Last Seen
    08-24-17 @ 04:07 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    3,666
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Obama = Ghandi, Mandela?

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinS View Post
    What is your definition? "Regulation of the economy" does not equal socialism, and it never has historically. Hopefully it never will.
    I never even mentioned regulation of the economy. Though I originally brought up "socialism for the rich..." phrase, the term does not specifically adhere to strict socialism. In reality, "privatized profits, socialized losses" is far more accurate. This is because:

    In political discourse, the phrase "privatizing profits and socializing losses" refers to any instance of speculators benefitting (privately) from profits, but not taking losses, by pushing the losses onto society at large, particularly via the government.
    These sentiments have been echoed since time immemorial.

    "I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the Bank. ... You are a den of vipers and thieves." —Andrew Jackson, 1834, on closing the Second Bank of the United States;

    But more to my point, I don't think the democratic socialists in Europe believe in a complete obliteration of the bourgeoisie.

  2. #82
    Mr. Professional
    Mensch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Northern Virginia
    Last Seen
    08-24-17 @ 04:07 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    3,666
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Obama = Ghandi, Mandela?

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    The only people I would even attempt to compare to Ghandi...are Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, in this country. Carter is Bad Ass good, and Clinton seems to be trying to make up for past deeds.
    Definitely not. In order for me to accept that comparison, I would have look strictly at their deeds AFTER leaving the presidency, and that would be a VERY generous comparison.

    During their time in office (ESPECIALLY Clinton), they were nothing like Gandhi. Carter, maybe a little bit. Clinton, DEFINITELY NOT.

  3. #83
    Gone

    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Last Seen
    10-16-16 @ 03:15 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    8,585

    Re: Obama = Ghandi, Mandela?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    Definitely not. In order for me to accept that comparison, I would have look strictly at their deeds AFTER leaving the presidency, and that would be a VERY generous comparison.

    During their time in office (ESPECIALLY Clinton), they were nothing like Gandhi. Carter, maybe a little bit. Clinton, DEFINITELY NOT.
    My comparison was definately post presidency...eight years is not a lifetime. Neither were great presidents, but both are great men as was Ghandi...thus the comparison.

    If you are playing from the GOP angle...please show me one of your guys who has done ANYTHING after his term....and I will not accept the Bush/Haiti crap for 12 hrs.

  4. #84
    Professor

    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    MI and AZ
    Last Seen
    03-15-15 @ 01:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    1,581

    Re: Obama = Ghandi, Mandela?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well that is a painfully misleading headline. Nowhere in that clip did he compare himself to either Gandhi or Madela.
    He did cleraly indicate that he wasn't a Gandhi or Madela in the clip. The equate must must be somewhere else in the speech, right?

  5. #85
    Professor

    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    MI and AZ
    Last Seen
    03-15-15 @ 01:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    1,581

    Re: Obama = Ghandi, Mandela?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    I thought to myself the other day...

    Between Barack Obama and Ron Paul, who really deserved the Nobel Peace Prize?
    Yes, this is a hard one. Let's see the Nobel Peace Prize is normally given to someone that is concerned with World Peace and does something about it. That would be Ron Paul right? But, oh poo, I listened to him yesterday and somehow I missed his expression of concern about World Peace. I guess I'm supposed to listen more and more and hope, right?

  6. #86
    Mr. Professional
    Mensch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Northern Virginia
    Last Seen
    08-24-17 @ 04:07 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    3,666
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Obama = Ghandi, Mandela?

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    My comparison was definately post presidency...eight years is not a lifetime. Neither were great presidents, but both are great men as was Ghandi...thus the comparison.

    If you are playing from the GOP angle...please show me one of your guys who has done ANYTHING after his term....and I will not accept the Bush/Haiti crap for 12 hrs.
    Don't be so quick to judge me as a member of the GOP. I take an issue with aggressive war-mongers and carpet bombers regardless of their party affiliation. I just want to make sure democrats KNOW their guy is just as bad as his GOP predecessor. There's nothing anti-war about the democrat party.

  7. #87
    Mr. Professional
    Mensch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Northern Virginia
    Last Seen
    08-24-17 @ 04:07 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    3,666
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Obama = Ghandi, Mandela?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Yes, this is a hard one. Let's see the Nobel Peace Prize is normally given to someone that is concerned with World Peace and does something about it. That would be Ron Paul right? But, oh poo, I listened to him yesterday and somehow I missed his expression of concern about World Peace. I guess I'm supposed to listen more and more and hope, right?
    Ron Paul has consistently expressed outrage over aggressive wars and presidents who feel the need to carpet bomb other countries. He has used his power in office to fulfill this agenda from day one. Just because you might be looking at one speech about the economy and there's no discussion of war doesn't deviate from the fact of the matter. Ron Paul is anti-war (at least aggressive, interventionist war).

    Obama, on the other hand, has yet to rescind the 9/12 powers originally signed by GWB. He has continued to order drone attacks, assassinations, outsourced torture, and troop surges in places where troops should be marching out.

  8. #88
    Mr. Professional
    Mensch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Northern Virginia
    Last Seen
    08-24-17 @ 04:07 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    3,666
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Obama = Ghandi, Mandela?

    Damn it! I keep forgetting Gitmo.

  9. #89
    Gone

    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Last Seen
    10-16-16 @ 03:15 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    8,585

    Re: Obama = Ghandi, Mandela?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    Don't be so quick to judge me as a member of the GOP. I take an issue with aggressive war-mongers and carpet bombers regardless of their party affiliation. I just want to make sure democrats KNOW their guy is just as bad as his GOP predecessor. There's nothing anti-war about the democrat party.

    Agreed, but these guys playin GOP ball, scare the freakin' hell outa me in so many ways, it makes me ashamed to ever have been republican.

  10. #90
    Sage
    Fletch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Mentor Ohio
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:46 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    15,267

    Re: Obama = Ghandi, Mandela?

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    The speech in context was about change, how the ordinary citizen is necessary and how it takes time. His mentioning these great men let's us in, as ordinary people, as to who inspires him, who he wishes to emulate:

    ‘The civil rights movement was hard,’ he told his audience of donors, while talking about how difficult it is to bring about 'change' in politics.
    ‘Winning the vote for women was hard. Making sure that workers had some basic protections was hard.
    ‘Around the world, Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, what they did was hard. It takes time. It takes more than a single term.
    It takes more than a single president. It takes more than a single individual.
    'What it takes is ordinary citizens who keep believe, who are committed to fighting and pushing and inching this country closer and closer to our highest ideals.

    'Change is hard' Obama tells fundraiser as he compares himself to Ghandi and Mandela | Mail Online
    Frankly, putting Obamas words into their full context doesnt help him much. Obama is talking about "change" which is ostensibly the word most closely associated with his campaign. But the trouble for Obama is that next to the change Mandela and Ghandi brought, his change is the equivalent of changing underwear. There is no question that Obama is likening himself to those who fought for real change in the hopes that some people will be fooled into thinking his goals and his agenda are on some sort of equal plane as theirs. Next to the great change agents of history, Obama is a pretender; more a defender of the status quo than an agent of change.

Page 9 of 11 FirstFirst ... 7891011 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •