View Poll Results: What is your opinion when Obama is compared to Ghandi and Mandela?

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  • Obama is above Ghandi and Mandela

    1 2.94%
  • Obama is on par with Ghandi and Mandela

    1 2.94%
  • Obama is below Ghandi and Mandela

    5 14.71%
  • Comparing Obama to Ghandi and Mandela is an insult to Ghandi and Mandela

    27 79.41%
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    Re: Obama = Ghandi, Mandela?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    SO you should have no problem showing the quote where he actually did compare himself to those two. Read beyond the headline and find it please.
    @Mya

    Ahh.. Redress is suddenly playing the "literal" game. You see Mya - if he didn't actually say, "I am now comparing myself to Ghandi and Mandela" then it didn't happen. This is what happens when people cannot be honest or are able to discuss openly issues they are obviously hyper-biased about. They play games.... typical.
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    Re: Obama = Ghandi, Mandela?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    @Mya

    Ahh.. Redress is suddenly playing the "literal" game. You see Mya - if he didn't actually say, "I am now comparing myself to Ghandi and Mandela" then it didn't happen. This is what happens when people cannot be honest or are able to discuss openly issues they are obviously hyper-biased about. They play games.... typical.
    Except he did not compare himself to either. You are playing the game where if he references them, he must be comparing himself to them. This is what happens when desperation sets in and people cannot be honest or are able to discuss openly issues they are obviously hyper-biased about. You have yet to even make the smallest attempt to actually show that he did compare himself to either of those people. You just expect people to take it as gospel, even though a fair number of people have come along and pointed out the exact same thing, that he did not in fact compare himself to Ghandi or Mandela. You have gone way out of your way to avoid actually making the case in fact.
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    Re: Obama = Ghandi, Mandela?

    The worst interpretation is that he could be doing a Bush, by inserting an unrelated word into a paragraph, such as mentioning "Iraq" in a discussion of Al-Qaeda and terrorism, and suddenly you all knew that Iraq was full of AQ terrorists and we're invading, even though he never actually said it....
    As it stands, I don't think President Obama went that far, he just gave examples of hard rows to hoe, and some people who did that.
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    Re: Obama = Ghandi, Mandela?

    "Around the world, Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, what they did was hard. It takes time. It takes more than a single term. "


    So when he says it takes more than a single term,whom might I ask is he talking about? It seems undeniable to me he is putting himself in some pretty good company.

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    Re: Obama = Ghandi, Mandela?

    Ghandi and Mandela are both champions of social justice. More than anything else, they were cut from the same cloth as other left wing progressives of the mid 20th century. If they were Americans, they'd be lumped in the same field as FDR, Obama and pretty much everyone who disagrees with the notion that an elite minority should be in control of both government and the economy.
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    Re: Obama = Ghandi, Mandela?

    My impression was more that Obama mentioned Gandhi and Mandela as inspiring examples.

    I don't remember exactly, but I think Bush and other Republicans too sometimes mention shining examples or idols, be that George Washington or Abraham Lincoln. When Bush mentioned one of those, for example, I would not assume he is comparing himself to those. He's just pointing out who inspires him.
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    Re: Obama = Ghandi, Mandela?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    My impression was more that Obama mentioned Gandhi and Mandela as inspiring examples.

    I don't remember exactly, but I think Bush and other Republicans too sometimes mention shining examples or idols, be that George Washington or Abraham Lincoln. When Bush mentioned one of those, for example, I would not assume he is comparing himself to those. He's just pointing out who inspires him.
    The dishonesty here lays in the fact that the American right wing and Ockham's personal idol Reagan were actually SILENT when it came to apartheid. Reagan supported the disgusting practice of "constructive engagement". Instead of supporting Mandela and the ANC they essentially tried to talk the South-African government out of power. No economic sanctions were imposed, no divestment. Instead Reagan and his bitch Thatcher supported white minority governments. Mandela? The right wingers didn't like him because he was too far to the left.
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    Re: Obama = Ghandi, Mandela?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ghandi and Mandela are both champions of social justice. More than anything else, they were cut from the same cloth as other left wing progressives of the mid 20th century. If they were Americans, they'd be lumped in the same field as FDR, Obama and pretty much everyone who disagrees with the notion that an elite minority should be in control of both government and the economy.
    Obama supported bailouts for huge corporations, is chock full of wall street money, and allows bernanke to manipulate the economy unchecked. Not to mention the fact his administration is loaded with wall street execs.

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    Re: Obama = Ghandi, Mandela?

    Obama is a hypocrite. Just sayin'.

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    Re: Obama = Ghandi, Mandela?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Obama supported bailouts for huge corporations, is chock full of wall street money, and allows bernanke to manipulate the economy unchecked. Not to mention the fact his administration is loaded with wall street execs.
    So now Obama is pro-rich people? I thought you Libertarians called him a socialist?
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