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Guns

What do you think gun control should be like?

  • Let everyone have a gun

    Votes: 19 22.4%

  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    Votes: 25 29.4%

  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    Votes: 11 12.9%

  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    Votes: 17 20.0%

  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    Votes: 5 5.9%

  • No guns at all

    Votes: 8 9.4%
  • Total voters
    85
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Boo Radley said:
Sure. But this means an uneven situation. But if both stores, all stores in the area have weapons. Crime doesn't go away. Instead, the crime automatically becomes more violent. Shot first.
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Maybe, but maybe not. Any statistics showing this is true?
 
cthomp said:
Maybe, but maybe not. Any statistics showing this is true?
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Likely not. But the reasoning is rather sound. Remember, we had violence in the old west. Remember prohabition? Folks were armed.
 
Boo Radley said:
Likely not. But the reasoning is rather sound. Remember, we had violence in the old west. Remember prohabition? Folks were armed.
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Prohibition was more organized crime involving gangs and the mafia. The reasoning is sound, but also has holes in it. If more people carry a gun there is always the chance someone walks by or walks in the store when a robbery is taking place or about to take place. This in itself can act as a deterrent.
 
cthomp said:
Prohibition was more organized crime involving gangs and the mafia. The reasoning is sound, but also has holes in it. If more people carry a gun there is always the chance someone walks by or walks in the store when a robbery is taking place or about to take place. This in itself can act as a deterrent.
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Again, like organized crime did, folks plan for that. Sometimes well and some times poorly. If I am going to steal, to commit a crime, I will. All that will change is how I go about it. As they say about locks, they are for honest people. They mean nothing to the person bent on stealing.
 
Boo Radley said:
Again, like organized crime did, folks plan for that. Sometimes well and some times poorly. If I am going to steal, to commit a crime, I will. All that will change is how I go about it. As they say about locks, they are for honest people. They mean nothing to the person bent on stealing.
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Maybe it won't stop you, but could very well stop other criminals. I'm not saying it is going to stop all criminals, but will stop some. I'm all for stopping some criminals. Florida has made it easier to get a concealed carry permit and their crime has gone down in all areas of violent crime.
 
cthomp said:
I never walk down the street looking at people thinking "this person might attack me." Again it is being prepared for the unexpected. If no one is allowed to carry guns than only criminals will carry guns. Criminals would be aware of this and attacking another person is easier for them. They can target anyone. Your coming off more paranoid in the sense that you are worried about more law abiding citizens carrying guns.
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I am pro-gun.

Check deeper in this thread and the other gun threads.

I'm offended that you made an incorrect assumption about me because I was wondering what everyone was worried about.
 
cthomp said:
Maybe it won't stop you, but could very well stop other criminals. I'm not saying it is going to stop all criminals, but will stop some. I'm all for stopping some criminals. Florida has made it easier to get a concealed carry permit and their crime has gone down in all areas of violent crime.
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I don't thin there are absolutes here, but I believe over all it would be a wash. For every criminal it deterred, I suspect we'd add another accident shooting or stupid shooting. And that those crimes committed will likely be more violent and not less, because the criminal now won't be able to wait and see if he can do it without shooting.

Admittedly, both of us need more rigorious studies done, and without the causal relationship errors found in so many.
 
taxigirl said:
I am pro-gun.

Check deeper in this thread and the other gun threads.

I'm offended that you made an incorrect assumption about me because I was wondering what everyone was worried about.
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I am sorry to have offended you. I thought you were mocking the fact to be prepared. There has been an obvious miscommunication.
 
cthomp said:
I am sorry to have offended you. I thought you were mocking the fact to be prepared. There has been an obvious miscommunication.
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I guess I kind of was mocking the being prepared comment. I just don't think that we need to be so afraid all the time. I got offended that you said "Your coming off more paranoid in the sense that you are worried about more law abiding citizens carrying guns."
Which to me implied that you thought I was anti-gun. It's all good, just misunderstanding both ways I guess.
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taxigirl said:
I guess I kind of was mocking the being prepared comment. I just don't think that we need to be so afraid all the time. I got offended that you said "Your coming off more paranoid in the sense that you are worried about more law abiding citizens carrying guns."
Which to me implied that you thought I was anti-gun. It's all good, just misunderstanding both ways I guess.
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Glad we could resolve this :).
 
taxigirl said:
I guess I kind of was mocking the being prepared comment. I just don't think that we need to be so afraid all the time. I got offended that you said "Your coming off more paranoid in the sense that you are worried about more law abiding citizens carrying guns."
Which to me implied that you thought I was anti-gun. It's all good, just misunderstanding both ways I guess.
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It's not about fear, it's about pragmatism. I'm not afraid of getting shot, or death really, that said I don't believe in making it easy for an aggressor to take my life or property either, or worse hurt those I care about. The worst time to find out that you aren't prepared is when you need to be.
 
haymarket said:
Turtle

I thought you were dead set against the term "assault weapons"?
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Its a stupid phrase but since the even more stupid laws incorporate that terms I used it for that reason
 
Boo Radley said:
The answer to none of those, even if they are what you expect, won't make me equal to your strawman. Sorry.

1) I don't mind people carrying who are qualified and skilled. Nor do I oject to them being banned from schools or hospitals or court houses. These seem like reasonable restrictions to me.

2) I have no objection to an assault weapons ban.

3) haven't thought about this one much, but not sure what the reasoning would be for stock piling. Just seems odd to me more than anything I finger to object to.
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If someone has no objections to that sort of ban they are anti gun without any doubt

They have stated that they think it is permissible for the government to prohibit honest people owning the same weapons that our tax dollars are used to supply to CIVILIAN police officers who have no greater rights to use such weapons than we do


furthermore you prove you buy into the idiocy that stuff like a bayonet lug or a pistol grip makes a weapon less suitable for "private ownership" which of course proves you have no clue about how weapons work
 
TurtleDude said:
If someone has no objections to that sort of ban they are anti gun without any doubt

They have stated that they think it is permissible for the government to prohibit honest people owning the same weapons that our tax dollars are used to supply to CIVILIAN police officers who have no greater rights to use such weapons than we do


furthermore you prove you buy into the idiocy that stuff like a bayonet lug or a pistol grip makes a weapon less suitable for "private ownership" which of course proves you have no clue about how weapons work
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Honestly a pistol grip does nothing for me really. I can shoot a shotgun without it. I can shoot a rifle without it. Done it for years.

Bayonet lug? Really? What does that do other than add weight? Am I really going to stick a bayonet on my rifle to go nuts? NAH! Besides attaching one would make my weapon less accurate anyway. I mean what else are on thes lists? All of it is a bunch of garbage.

Stock piling is hilarious. I can only put 1 weapon in my hand at a time.
 
back when I was a world class shotgunner, I and a guy i used to work with in skeet who was on the 96 Olympic team would often do demonstrations that involved shooting skeet targets from the hip. Now a bunch of anti gun turds told us that pistol grips were for "spraying" bullets from the hip. Guess what-its really hard to shoot anything with heavy recoil (like a 12 G or 762NATO) from the hip with a pistol grip due to the angle and stress it puts on your hand. Now if you have the stock tucked under your armpit a pistol grip is easier to shoot the gun one handed with.

but from the hip-no way and I have run a couple dozen 25 straights from the hip so I know something about hip shooting
 
cthomp said:
What do you think about gun control? Poll speaks for its self.
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Hmmmm... What do I think about gun control.

Well, in as few words as possible...

1. Know your weapon and it's capabilities and train yourself accordingly.
2. NEVER use your firearm for illegal purposes.
3. Know your target and even more important, know what is BEHIND your target.
4. Breathe slowly.
5. Aim with both eyes open.
6. Pull the trigger slow and steady all the while focusing on the sights.
7. One shot, one kill.

Gun control.
 
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I gotta few 25 patches ffor trap myself TD. Been a while though.

Last time out I only busted 16 first go around. But it had been over 10 years. :3oops:
 
Voted for option 2, which is in general my position on the matter.

Although I'm fine with option 1, excepting violent criminals and such.
 
Captain America said:
I gotta few 25 patches ffor trap myself TD. Been a while though.

Last time out I only busted 16 first go around. But it had been over 10 years. :3oops:
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never much like american trap-its miss and out basically Never shot enough handicap to get yardage to shoot the grand

but I was once wicked good in Wobble (silver medalist-National Collegiates) and I won a few regional medals on a real bunker trap-now that is fun-olympic bunker.

I had a 100 straight in ISU skeet but I remember watching Military shooter Billy THompson run a bunker 100 straight at the Pan Am Trials in Prado TIro (Ontario California, 1984 Olympic games venue)--now that was something
 
The Mark said:
Voted for option 2, which is in general my position on the matter.

Although I'm fine with option 1, excepting violent criminals and such.
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I have an option for violent criminals. But I doubt it would pass through congress.

I call it the "Dollar Bill" bill. Actually, I could probably just use a reload and get it done cheaper than that. But with all the government regulation, it most likely would cost at least a dollar to impliment my solution to violent criminals.
 
TurtleDude said:
furthermore you prove you buy into the idiocy that stuff like a bayonet lug or a pistol grip makes a weapon less suitable for "private ownership" which of course proves you have no clue about how weapons work
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Same can be said of sound suppressors. Quite possibly the greatest reason for hearing loss for shooters ever.
 
TurtleDude said:
never much like american trap-its miss and out basically Never shot enough handicap to get yardage to shoot the grand

but I was once wicked good in Wobble (silver medalist-National Collegiates) and I won a few regional medals on a real bunker trap-now that is fun-olympic bunker.

I had a 100 straight in ISU skeet but I remember watching Military shooter Billy THompson run a bunker 100 straight at the Pan Am Trials in Prado TIro (Ontario California, 1984 Olympic games venue)--now that was something
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100 straight!!???!! Holy ****!! My best run was 49 out of 50. I missed the 50th. But it was not on an official range. Just some home boys in our hunting club having an event. I was using a Browning over and under 12 ga. First time I shot the gun. I hardly even remember what it looked like. But that day, I just couldn't miss. Don't you just LOVE those days?
 
TNAR said:
Same can be said of sound suppressors. Quite possibly the greatest reason for hearing loss for shooters ever.
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silencers ought to be as easy to buy as bayonets or bullets
 
Captain America said:
100 straight!!???!! Holy ****!! My best run was 49 out of 50. I missed the 50th. But it was not on an official range. Just some home boys in our hunting club having an event. I was using a Browning over and under 12 ga. First time I shot the gun. I hardly even remember what it looked like. But that day, I just couldn't miss. Don't you just LOVE those days?
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I also spent a summer as a resident athlete at the USOTC as part of an NRA development team shooting 200-500 shots a day. you get pretty good doing that stuff
 
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