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Guns

What do you think gun control should be like?

  • Let everyone have a gun

    Votes: 19 22.4%

  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    Votes: 25 29.4%

  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    Votes: 11 12.9%

  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    Votes: 17 20.0%

  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    Votes: 5 5.9%

  • No guns at all

    Votes: 8 9.4%
  • Total voters
    85
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Are you seeing my point? You want uniformity of firearm laws.


YOU don't want ME to impose SC gun laws on your territory...

I don't want YOU to impose NYC, DC, Chicago gun laws on mine.


It's called Federalism. Vote with your feet what laws you want to live under.
 
taxigirl said:
guns don't = crime
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Correct. Looking at the worldwide stage, where there are many nations FAR worse than the US ever dreamed of being in terms of violence and crime, the chief driving elements appear to be:


1. Poverty and unemployment
2. Corrupt or ineffective government/law
3. Factionalism, tribalism or gangs or drug cartels.


Guns are not a major factor in crime levels.
 
Thunder said:
such a strategy appears to only work, if we have armed border police, searching all migrants, along our state borders.
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If that's what you want to do in your state, go ahead.

Kiss tourism goodbye, of course... :)
 
Goshin said:
If that's what you want to do in your state, go ahead.

Kiss tourism goodbye, of course... :)
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honestly, if I was Governor I would instruct the State Police to search EVERY car that comes to NYC from Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, and Texas.
 
Thunder said:
let's stay focused on NYC. :)
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Why, because you think you can support your argument with NYC, but not with Chicago, DC and Detroit?


Detroit is listed as the most dangerous city in america. It also has strict gun laws. Most serious scholars blame poverty, unemployment and gangs.
 
Thunder said:
honestly, if I was Governor I would instruct the State Police to search EVERY car that comes to NYC from Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Texas.
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Yup, and you'd surely run afoul of the Commerce Clause, not to mention the 4th Amendment...



Careful, your "common sense gun control" facade is slipping.... and the thinly-veiled tyranny is peeking out.
 
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Thunder said:
NYC has its **** together, and has for quite a while now. D.C. has no tax-base. Chicago..who knows.
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NYC in the 80's had extremely strict weapons laws and very very high crime and murders. Rudi Guiliani made the city relatively safe, but at the cost of draconian policing policies. That's why NYC is NOW not such a bad place as far as crime. Nothing to do with gun control.


Again and again, if you dig a little you find that poverty/unemployment, corrupt or ineffective law enforcement, and factions/gangs/drugs are the primary causes of crime and violence. Gun control is a side issue.
 
Thunder said:
honestly, if I was Governor I would instruct the State Police to search EVERY car that comes to NYC from Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, and Texas.
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What a rediculus statement. Even if you could get this Unconstitutional mandate passed, you would go broke.... Please try to be realistic in your arguments. As Bugs would say: What a maroon.... What a nincowpoop...
 
Chiefgator said:
What a rediculus statement. Even if you could get this Unconstitutional mandate passed, you would go broke.... Please try to be realistic in your arguments. As Bugs would say: What a maroon.... What a nincowpoop...
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personal attacks make your argument.....useless bull****.
 
Thunder said:
oh, the hyperbole begins. :lamo
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It's hyperbole to call "searching every car that comes from X states" by it's proper term, tyranny?


Are you really so terrified of guns that you'd want to search every vehicle from SC VA etc on that basis? I hate to break it to you but most criminals in your AO that want guns have them already....
 
Goshin said:
NYC in the 80's had extremely strict weapons laws and very very high crime and murders. Rudi Guiliani made the city relatively safe, but at the cost of draconian policing policies. That's why NYC is NOW not such a bad place as far as crime. Nothing to do with gun control.....
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so, what you're saying is, gun-control laws don't effect crime rates one way or the other?
 
Goshin said:
It's hyperbole to call "searching every car that comes from X states" by it's proper term, tyranny?


Are you really so terrified of guns that you'd want to search every vehicle from SC VA etc on that basis? I hate to break it to you but most criminals in your AO that want guns have them already....
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that's false. the vast-majority of traced guns used in crimes in NYC, came from OUT of state.

and no, I have no fear of guns. save your silly attacks.
 
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Okay, we need to bring this down a notch... yeah I'm including myself in that call....
 
Thunder said:
personal attacks make your argument.....useless bull****.
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That was not a personal attack. It was an attempt at levity.

But you still cannot defend your absurd claim that you would enact this legislation if elected Gov.
 
Background checks, required gun safety course, permits for concealed carry specific to each state. Expand castle law to private businesses and vehicles. Don't f with people's s.
 
Thunder said:
so, what you're saying is, gun-control laws don't effect crime rates one way or the other?
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There is no evidence that gun control reduces crime.

There is evidence that concealed carry reduces crime, though it has been disputed and is not considered conclusive, due to the complex and multi-factored nature of crime rates.
 
Thunder said:
the various crime rates of cities with loose gun-control laws, compared to NYC..which has tight gun control laws.
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NYC current murder rate is low, granted.... but let's compare some low-gun-control cities with some OTHER high-gun-control cities....

Charlotte NC murder rate 7.6
Austin TX 4.8
Dallas TX 11.3
Atlanta GA 15.3

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Detroit 15.2
Buffalo NY 20.7
DC 21.9
Detroit 31.5
Newark NJ 32.1

United States cities by crime rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Gun control =/= crime control.
 
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Thunder said:
the various crime rates of cities with loose gun-control laws, compared to NYC..which has tight gun control laws.
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I counter that is a fallacy of logic. Crying babies do not cause spoiled milk. You have to get a bigger picture than that. As mentioned above... Chicago and DC also have very strict laws and their crime rates are very high.
 
Goshin said:
NYC current murder rate is low, granted.... but let's compare some low-gun-control cities with some OTHER high-gun-control cities....

Charlotte NC murder rate 7.6
Austin TX 4.8
Dallas TX 11.3
Atlanta GA 15.3

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Detroit 15.2
Buffalo NY 20.7
DC 21.9
Detroit 31.5
Newark NJ 32.1...
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Detroit & Buffalo have been decimated by the shipping of manufacturing jobs overseas, with NOTHING to replace those jobs.

D.C. has almost ZERO income tax-base. Newark? hell they don't even have a damn Barnes & Nobles.
 
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