View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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Thread: Guns

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and when that dealer gets investigated as all do, he will go to jail if he isn't

    so tell me why I should only be able to buy one gun a month
    so, if criminals aren't getting their guns from licensed gun-dealers, then from where and whom are they getting their guns?

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am God to you on this subject. But there are many of us. Most of the other guys on the US Shooting team or NSSA All-America team were as knowledgeable. Of course few of them had law degrees and even fewer had represented major gun dealers, and manufacturers as well as law enforcement agencies
    Where do you get this stuff? I said that I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU when you claim papal infallibility on the subject of the Second Amendment. And you have proven it yourself with the nonsense about the pure good aspect that others admit is simply NOT TRUE.

    Your technical skill or even knowledge is irrelevant when
    1) you claim that you are infallible on anything to do with the Second Amendment, and
    2) that the Second Amendment is a pure good with no negatives at all .

    You destroyed your own credibility on this Turtle.

    Tell you what - I am off to bed - so you take the entire evening to find where I advocated taking away any rights from gun owners. Find that. Post that.

    And after you do that explain to me how that makes me anti Second Amendment.

    I look forward to actually seeing some evidence from you..... for once.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ever heard of a ATF multiple purchase report form?
    I got it, just took time to catch up to the answers. Thanks!
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You might as well ask "if there were no armies in the world, NOT ONE, how many wars would we have?"


    This is dreamland and does not, will not, can not ever exist.

    There's no point in talking about it. We might as well talk about winged Unicorns and defying gravity by putting mint leaves on your shoes.
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    the other day you admitted that I was correct in stating that the Second Amendment is not a pure good. That was the simple point in this exercise. Go back and read the exchange. Captain America sees it clearly.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    so, if criminals aren't getting their guns from licensed gun-dealers, then from where and whom are they getting their guns?
    do you have any clue how long guns last

    or how many are lost or stolen from federal and state arsenals, police departments etc

    or how many are on the world market that are smuggled in by the same people who use private submarines or tunnels to bring in loads of cocaine

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and its idiotic to even bring it up in the context of his claim that the second amendment is what killed those children given places-like mexico-have no constitutional rights to own weapons yet the place is awash with illegal guns and gun deaths
    False. Why are you lying about my beliefs? Must you create a frankenstien monster of my views so you can them burn it as a perversion?

    Be a decent chap and the next time you tell people what I believe or advocate, man up and quote me on it.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Goshin
    the other day you admitted that I was correct in stating that the Second Amendment is not a pure good. That was the simple point in this exercise. Go back and read the exchange. Captain America sees it clearly.
    its moronic to say a right is not good or partially good

    the best you can say is that some people abuse a right for no good

    and we also know that even if there was no right to keep and bear arms, we'd still have tons of guns around which is true in many other countries

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    False. Why are you lying about my beliefs? Must you create a frankenstien monster of my views so you can them burn it as a perversion?

    Be a decent chap and the next time you tell people what I believe or advocate, man up and quote me on it.


    Since your thread got flushed I cannot bring back the posts from it here. But the fact remains-claiming that those children are the heroes of the second amendment was a patent attempt to try to smear the second amendment by implying that this right's existence causes innocent people to die

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    do you have any clue how long guns last

    or how many are lost or stolen from federal and state arsenals, police departments etc

    or how many are on the world market that are smuggled in by the same people who use private submarines or tunnels to bring in loads of cocaine
    where/how do criminals in the USA, get their guns?

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ocon/guns.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/1992/03/11/us...ted=all&src=pm
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    where/how do criminals in the USA, get their guns?
    Maybe you were on a temporary ban when I posted the DOJ study but it showed where the thousands of criminals interviewed got their guns

    less than one percent were from gun shows BTW

    none of the main reasons are deterred by gun limits

    btw did you ever answer my question as to why I shouldn't be able to buy more than one gun a month

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