View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    No attacks, just telling the truth

    people who commit rape and murder don't obey laws

    so we who don't commit crime need to be well armed to deal with criminals
    They do this to people with guns as well. Always have. Always will. In the right hands a gun MAY help. In the wrong hands, it LIKELY will hurt. Either way, anyone can be had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They do this to people with guns as well. Always have. Always will. In the right hands a gun MAY help. In the wrong hands, it LIKELY will hurt. Either way, anyone can be had.
    the problem is gun control laws take guns out of the RIGHT hands without taking them out of the WRONG ones

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the problem is gun control laws take guns out of the RIGHT hands without taking them out of the WRONG ones
    i think the laws are just fine. They just need to be enforced with extreme penalties.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    i think the laws are just fine. They just need to be enforced with extreme penalties.
    You might think differently if you lived in DC or Chicago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    i think the laws are just fine. They just need to be enforced with extreme penalties.

    I am talking about idiocy like making people wait to buy a gun or preventing honest people from buying semi autos or more than one gun a month etc

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They do this to people with guns as well. Always have. Always will. In the right hands a gun MAY help. In the wrong hands, it LIKELY will hurt. Either way, anyone can be had.
    And yet that the "likely" hurt part of the equation is < right hands part. There are significantly more people that have proven themselves to be the right hands. The criminal element is small. The idiot element is smaller still. Laws are not going to stop criminals from being criminals, or idiots from being idiots. More laws make more criminals. And idiots...well protecting them only makes more idiots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    no weapon is perfect for all circumstances. if you are barricaded behind hard cover, and you control access to your environment and that access point is is less than 35 yards away a pump 12 Shotgun is a good choice

    Not so good in close quarters or if your adversary can engage you from over 75 yards away and even if you have slugs, you are at a severe disadvantage past 150 yards
    Maybe YOU would be okay at 150 yds but I wouldn't want a shotgun, even 08 buckshot scatter, for anything over 60 yds. You would have to be Dead-Eye Dick to hit at 150 yds with a slug. But, then again, you are Dead-Eye Dick, so nevermind. LOL!
    Last edited by Captain America; 03-09-12 at 10:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    And yet that the "likely" hurt part of the equation is < right hands part. There are significantly more people that have proven themselves to be the right hands. The criminal element is small. The idiot element is smaller still. Laws are not going to stop criminals from being criminals, or idiots from being idiots. More laws make more criminals. And idiots...well protecting them only makes more idiots.

    Its obvious-if you obey even stupid gun laws, you aren't robbing banks, raping children, selling crank or knocking off rival gangbangers

    if you don't mind doing a nickel at the state pen for selling crack or doing 360 months in USP Florence for armed bankrobbery and assault with a automatic weapon you aren't going to worry about some gun law

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    i think the laws are just fine. They just need to be enforced with extreme penalties.
    Some laws make sense, some don't. We need to keep the ones that do, think about anything we missed that might be intelligent and legitimate policy, and move forward from there. Most gun rights advocates are fine with CCW laws and I am as well, it may not do much to curb the illegal concealment but non CCW carriers can be taken off the streets for a while and most CCW pulls from conceal are honest and legit. I don't mind gun transfer laws if a third party sale like Estate auction or Bin auction is involved, things like that. But capacity bans, the way we regulate rate of fire, etc. are all useless and need to go.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Maybe YOU would be okay at 150 yds but I wouldn't want a shotgun, even 08 buckshot, for anything over 60 yds. You would have to be Dead-Eye Dick to hit at 150 yds with a slug. But, then again, you are Dead-Eye Dick, so nevermind. LOL!
    past forty yards I want an M4 with a holosite

    past 200 I want a full size AR with a 3X-14 Kahles scope

    600-a MIAI or LAR in 762Nato with a rangefinding scope

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