Thread: Guns

And what right permits the nation to go beyond that tipping point?

Originally Posted by haymarket

But it does. Why are you impotent or afraid to answer one simple question?

If there were no guns in America - not a single one - how many gun killings would we have each year in the USA?

If I think I understand what you are getting at, I think I might have already addressed it post #810.

I wrote:

Look, in a pefect world, we would not be having this discussion because none of us would have even heard of a gun. Necessity being the mother of all invention, take away necessity and you remove invention. But you can't put toothpaste back into the tube.

Originally Posted by MoSurveyor

On the other hand Switzerland has one of the lowest rates in the world. Care to guess what their gun laws are?

they have lots of rifles...not handguns.

Originally Posted by haymarket

But it does. Why are you impotent or afraid to answer one simple question?

If there were no guns in America - not a single one - how many gun killings would we have each year in the USA?

its a stupid question I have already answered

there is absolutely no merit that idiocy because we know that even if there were no gun rights recognized by our laws and constitution there would still be guns in this nation as there are in at least a hundred other countries that have no right to KBA

Originally Posted by Thunder

they have lots of rifles...not handguns.

BS, they have tons of handguns Hammerli and SIG are Swiss companies that sell lots of handguns to Swiss citizens

Originally Posted by Captain America

If I think I understand what you are getting at, I think I might have already addressed it post #810.

I wrote:

And I agree with that Captain. I agree with that.

And I have repeatedly said that on balance the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms has more positives than it does negatives. All I want from reasonable people is acceptance that yes Virginia, there are negatives and the Second Amendment is not a pure good.

Is that too much to ask?

Originally Posted by haymarket

thank you.

And if there was but one gun in America. How hard would it be to keep track of that one single gun and make sure it was not involved in a crime?

What about just one gun in each state where we knew where it was? How hard would that be to keep track of and make sure it was not used illegally?

Now where is the tipping point gentlemen? Where is the tipping point where we go from being able to control this and where we have significant amounts of collateral damage like we did with Columbine, with Virginia Tech with Ohio and with too many other places to list?

Where is the tipping point gentlemen?

I'm with ya bro. As much as I love shooting whitetail and clay pideons, I would gladly sacrifice my enjoyment if it meant that there woule never be another life taken with a gun.

But, sad to say, that's just not the reality of the situation.

I think, if you understand THAT, we are both pretty much in agreement here.

Originally Posted by haymarket

And I agree with that Captain. I agree with that.

And I have repeatedly said that on balance the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms has more positives than it does negatives. All I want from reasonable people is acceptance that yes Virginia, there are negatives and the Second Amendment is not a pure good.

Is that too much to ask?

denied, the second amendment has nothing to do with VT since his possession of those weapons was illegal the second he bought them

Originally Posted by Thunder

wrong. VERY wrong.

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

try again.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Wikipedia? Are you ****ing kidding me?
Murders (per capita) statistics - Countries Compared - NationMaster

UNODC homicide statistics

DEATH BY MURDER

Crime Hub - International Comparative Statistics

Two quote Calvin Coolidge. "You lose".

Originally Posted by Captain America

I'm with ya bro. As much as I love shooting whitetail and clay pideons, I would gladly sacrifice my enjoyment if it meant that there woule never be another life taken with a gun.

But, sad to say, that's just not the reality of the situation.

I think, if you understand THAT, we are both pretty much in agreement here.

Most excellent.