View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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Thread: Guns

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Lets start with something very very simple. If there were no guns in America, NOT A SINGLE ONE - how many illegal gun killings would we have each year?
    I hear ya but I ask you, "If the bear didn't stop to take a ****, would he have caught the rabbit?"

    You ask, what does that have to do with the price of rice in China?

    I ask the same thing. Are you suggesting that you know a magic spell that would eliminate guns and erase every memory of any memory of a gun or the very thoughts of creating and manufactoring them. If so, I'm with you.

    BUT...... that's in la-la land dream world. The FACTS are, there are guns. Lot's of 'em. I didn't start the fire. Don't shoot the messenger.

    I don't care to debate what-if's. Maybe when I've had a bowl or two. But right now I'm in real world.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Well Mr. Pro-Second amendment. The answer is simple, this is a ridiculous hypothetical with no bearing on reality and even countries with ZERO TOLERANCE gun policies have gun crime.
    Why are you afraid to give an honest answer? If there were no guns in America - NOT A SINGLE ONE - how many gun killings would we have each year in the USA?

    anyone?
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yes, but much less than the USA, as its much more difficult for criminals to get a gun.

    let's be honest: if all guns were illegal in the USA...gun crime would go waaaaaaay down.
    And yet the overall murder rate in most countries is higher than the U.S. per capita. Care to try again?
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I hear ya but I ask you, "If the bear didn't stop to take a ****, would he have caught the rabbit?"

    You ask, what does that have to do with the price of rice in China?

    I ask the same thing. Are you suggesting that you know a magic spell that would eliminate guns and erase every memory of any memory of a gun or the very thoughts of creating and manufactoring them. If so, I'm with you.

    BUT...... that's in la-la land dream world. The FACTS are, there are guns. Lot's of 'em. I didn't start the fire. Don't shoot the messenger.

    I don't care to debate what-if's. Maybe when I've had a bowl or two. But right now I'm in real world.
    You miss the point. Please answer the question and I will explain why this is crucial.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    And yet the overall murder rate in most countries is higher than the U.S. per capita. Care to try again?
    oh.....is it now?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_rate#2000s

    looks like you're wrong.

    VERY wrong.
    Last edited by Thunder; 03-09-12 at 09:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I'm sorry but that doesn't hold. We can't even keep a 150# Mexican from crossing the border, what makes you think we can stop a 150# Mexican with a gun?
    You also miss the point. Please answer the question and I will develop it into a case with a huge payoff in the end.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yes, but much less than the USA, as its much more difficult for criminals to get a gun.

    let's be honest: if all guns were illegal in the USA...gun crime would go waaaaaaay down.
    Like it did in prohibition?

    that was really stupid Thunder

    banning guns would create a black market far worse than the drug war and prohibition created

    plus lots of people would refuse to hand in their guns and become "criminals"

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why are you afraid to give an honest answer? If there were no guns in America - NOT A SINGLE ONE - how many gun killings would we have each year in the USA?

    anyone?
    Why would I answer this? It's a hypothetical and a useless one at that, there is no un-inventing the gun, in the absence of a gun there are millions of potential alternative weapons available, humans die fine without being shot. You don't know **** about the subject so I refuse to let you try to control the conversation.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    MOre oozing idiocy in that post. There is no right to possess crack cocaine in this country yet its all over the place

    You engage in the stupidity of assuming if guns were banned-or at least not protected, killers wouldn't get them

    and you complain when I note you are ignorant about this subject?
    Why are you impotent to answer the question?

    If there were no guns in America - not a single one - how many gun killings would we have in the USA each year?
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    oh.....is it now?
    Yes it is.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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