View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Lots of Turkeys killed by guns where I live though I prefer hunting them with a bow.

    Lots of Armenians probably wished they had more guns too
    they had enough guns to kill their turkish neighbours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    they had enough guns to kill their turkish neighbours.
    since the evil and the bad will have guns, its stupid to disarm the good and the righteous

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    since the evil and the bad will have guns, its stupid to disarm the good and the righteous
    which one is the good ?,why do you attack me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    which one is the good ?,why do you attack me?
    No attacks, just telling the truth

    people who commit rape and murder don't obey laws

    so we who don't commit crime need to be well armed to deal with criminals

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    shoulder fired missiles are issued to military groups and is not an individual weapon as contemplated by the second amendment nor does it have generally self defense use.
    Is that what the current thinking is on the 2nd, "individual weapon" and "self defense use"? Or is that just your interpretation? I guess my beliefs are ****ed if it's the former. I don't think there should be a limit on what can be owned, just who can own what. Of course, the "military groups" might solve it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Is that what the current thinking is on the 2nd, "individual weapon" and "self defense use"? Or is that just your interpretation? I guess my beliefs are ****ed if it's the former. I don't think there should be a limit on what can be owned, just who can own what. Of course, the "military groups" might solve it.
    1) when the second was penned, there was a clear boundary between "artillery" Ordnance and "arms". today that line is blurry when you have things like a grenade launcher mounted to a M16, surface to air handheld missiles, LAWS, MAWS and HAWS etc

    2) those gray area weapons-which are generally issued per Platoon or Squad etc are difficult to discuss in terms of individual rights

    3) however, UNTIL every honest citizen can own freely, the same weapons CIVILIAN LAW ENFORCEMENT employees use-such as submachine guns like the MP 5, Select fire carbines like the M4, we need not even address stuff like LAW or a M79

    4) when we can buy an MP5 or M4 the same as we buy a SW 19 or a GLOCK 17 or a Remington 870 then we can start debating whether you ought to be able to buy offensive weapons like a Strela or a claymore mine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    i dont know the second amendment,but i cant understand the right of having gun
    I don't understand NOT having the right to own a gun. In your country are only criminals, terrorists and killers armed? The government is armed, right? Citizens aren't free to arm themselves? Tell me about how it is in Turkey.

    I think you would love it here.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley
    Muskets are fine. I know a fellow who uses them.
    What about modern single shots? I'm just trying to figure out where you draw the line between acceptable weapon and unacceptable weapon.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket
    What I have repeatedly stated is that I support the Second Amendment and I believe it is more of a positive than it has negatives.
    The entire Constitution is written with respect to the government, not the people. When the voice is positive it is declaring which powers are delegated to the government. When the voice is negative it enumerates restrictions on the government from encroaching on specific rights of the states or the people.

    That said, I recognize that I am unfortunately in the minority when it comes to recognizing that the government has overstepped its bounds by an enormous margin in virtually every aspect. It is my hope that a little education will knock some sense into people...

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa
    i cant understand the right of having gun
    It stems from the reality that those who are allegedly supposed to protect us (namely the police) are not always available in all situations where we may need them. Those from large cities are generally oblivious to the very long response times of police in rural areas. Even in large cities the response times are essentially always too late. It is a basic human right - not limited to any specific nationality - to defend oneself from danger. Since many would-be attackers have firearms at their disposal it only makes sense that defenders have similar capabilities.

    Ultimately, those interested in self-defense do not use weapons aggressively against others and those who do can care less what laws are in existence to limit this ability.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Lots of Turkeys killed by guns where I live though I prefer hunting them with a bow.

    Lots of Armenians probably wished they had more guns too
    Oooo-****in'-Rah I wanna have your baby TD. LOL!

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Scumbags will own firearms, legally or not, which means that it is best that we own them too, and if the scumbags want to do something illegal against us with firearms, then we have the right to do something legal with ours, such as blow the scumbags' asses away.
    Exactly. It's kind of like the Super PAC's. Obama don't like them but he will use them since his opponents will certainly have them in their arsenal. He won't bring a knife to a gunfight.

    Look, in a pefect world, we would not be having this discussion because none of us would have even heard of a gun. Necessity being the mother of all invention, take away necessity and you remove invention. But you can't put toothpaste back into the tube. It is what it is. That ain't MY fault.

    And be damned if I am going to walk in a world full of armed criminals with a butter knife. That would be as stupid as not using a Super PAC.

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