View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I'm sure that's true, but why has there not therefore been a constitutional amendment? Either the constitution is the ultimate statement of rights or it isn't, surely.
    Because the right that's guaranteed is the right to "keep and bear arms". Not to do so conveniently, and not without any exceptions at all. There are many laws enacted by congress limiting the freedom of speech, some of which were enacted by the founders. Everything is subject to some kind of reasoned examination, and no right is 100% ironclad. Even the people who wrote the bill of rights did not adhere to the idea that no exceptions were permitted.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Because the right that's guaranteed is the right to "keep and bear arms". Not to do so conveniently, and not without any exceptions at all. There are many laws enacted by congress limiting the freedom of speech, some of which were enacted by the founders. Everything is subject to some kind of reasoned examination, and no right is 100% ironclad. Even the people who wrote the bill of rights did not adhere to the idea that no exceptions were permitted.
    thank you for this.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    if you have committed a felony and a judge has not reinstituted your right to possess firearms, or if you have been institutionalized by a judge.

    the background check is to make sure you don't fall under one of these two categories.
    And where are these exceptions found in the phrase “…shall not be infringed…”?
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    many folks in this country believe that if you have a history of criminal activity, your right to own a firearm should be suspended..until you can prove that you are no longer a danger to society.

    I agree with this stand.
    Yes, a lot of very, very foolish people believe that. But that is not what the Constitution says. As far as the Constitution is written, there is no more valid cause to deny that right to such people, than there is to deny them any of the other rights affirmed in the Bill of Rights. The only legitimate way to deny this right to convicts who have completed their sentences would be to amend the Constitution to explicitly allow that exception to the Second Amendment.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Because the right that's guaranteed is the right to "keep and bear arms". Not to do so conveniently, and not without any exceptions at all. There are many laws enacted by congress limiting the freedom of speech, some of which were enacted by the founders. Everything is subject to some kind of reasoned examination, and no right is 100% ironclad. Even the people who wrote the bill of rights did not adhere to the idea that no exceptions were permitted.
    the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

    It does not state "only the right of those without a past criminal action", or "only the right of those whom we deem worthy". It says the right shall not be infringed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The People. Why do you want folks who have committed robberies & burglaries to own guns?
    If they've paid their debt to society, then it is their right, exactly the same as with every other free American. There is nothing in the Second Amendment, nor elsewhere in the Constitution, that allows for denying them any of their basic Constitutional rights.

    If they are so dangerous to society that they cannot be trusted with one of their most basic Constitutional rights, then we need to keep them in prison or put them to death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

    It does not state "only the right of those without a past criminal action", or "only the right of those whom we deem worthy". It says the right shall not be infringed.
    so you want felons and psychopaths owning firearms??

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    so you want felons and psychopaths owning firearms??
    If felon has served his time, and paid his debt to society, yes. As for psychopaths, is there a way to prove he is a psychopath prior to his acquiring a gun? If so, is he a ward of the state who is institutionalized, or is he a free member of society who functions and works?
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Then why are none of these exceptions mentioned in the constitution? Why has no amendment been effected?
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The People put in new laws. The People have spoken, and they don't want convicted felons, children, non-citizens, folks under indictment, or folks who have been institutionalized in the past, owning firarms.

    why would you?
    Lower laws do not trump the Constitution. If the people really do not want “convicted felons, children, non-citizens, folks under indictment, or folks who have been institutionalized in the past, owning firarms [sic], then the Constitution itself needs to be amended to make these exceptions to the Second Amendment. Until such an Amendment is ratified, there is no legitimate basis for these exceptions.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Because the right that's guaranteed is the right to "keep and bear arms". Not to do so conveniently, and not without any exceptions at all. There are many laws enacted by congress limiting the freedom of speech, some of which were enacted by the founders. Everything is subject to some kind of reasoned examination, and no right is 100% ironclad. Even the people who wrote the bill of rights did not adhere to the idea that no exceptions were permitted.
    That we have foolishly allowed government to violate other rights is not a good argument in favor of allowing them greater power to violate this one.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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