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Guns

What do you think gun control should be like?

  • Let everyone have a gun

    Votes: 19 22.4%

  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    Votes: 25 29.4%

  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    Votes: 11 12.9%

  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    Votes: 17 20.0%

  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    Votes: 5 5.9%

  • No guns at all

    Votes: 8 9.4%
  • Total voters
    85
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Goshin said:
Well, if doing things your way meant I could walk down Madison Square Garden with a AR15, I might decide that I could live with not being able to pack a handgun in NYC.... but you know as well as I do that the Bloombergs of the world aren't going to accept that. Hard enough to get them to accept that people have a right to a gun to defend their own homes.
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Well that's the great thing about having a personal opinion on an issue: what other people think of it doesn't matter that much when it comes to me having one. ;)
 
digsbe said:
I want a thorough background check before purchase and carry along.
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the problem is a thorough backround check takes less than 15 minutes.anything longer that that is either the state trying to deterr gun buyers with long wait periods or the state is so inept is cant keep a solid record on its own people,in that case gun owners shouldnt be punishes,but rather the state for failing to do what a 3rd grader could keep track of.
 
Not a gun owner and never even shot one. Am writing a mystery novel and it what does anyone think of a Glock 17 9mm with the seventeen shot clip. Any opinions or advice on this weapon would be appreciated. Thanks.

Oh a female detective would be using it.
 
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katiegrrl0 said:
Not a gun owner and never even shot one. Am writing a mystery novel and it what does anyone think of a Glock 17 9mm with the seventeen shot clip. Any opinions or advice on this weapon would be appreciated. Thanks.
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What do you want to know about them? They're relatively lightweight but the recoil is controllable; they're pretty accurate and reliable. They WILL set off a metal detector, contrary to urban myth. They're too large to conceal in a pocket or an ankle holster; they're normally carried on a belt holster or shoulder holster.


Anything else you need to know?
 
Goshin said:
What do you want to know about them? They're relatively lightweight but the recoil is controllable; they're pretty accurate and reliable. They WILL set off a metal detector, contrary to urban myth. They're too large to conceal in a pocket or an ankle holster; they're normally carried on a belt holster or shoulder holster.


Anything else you need to know?
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Don't forget glocks suck. =) Proud old school 1911 .45 acp owner here.
 
lizzie said:
Then apparently it's not working as a deterrent. If the recidivism rate is high for violent criminals, then the justice being served is not adequately structured, nor the pusnishment severe enough. Prison should be a place that nobody wants to go to, much less return to. If you go to prison, and you learn that the last thing you want is to be there, then you have, in essence, been reformed. I support having no criminal record for released felons. Ex-cons really get screwed out in the real world after release, because they have a criminal record that keeps them from getting gainful employment. It's like a scarlet letter.
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Liz, I agree and disagree. First, in the U.S. we must come to some sort of expectation of what we'd like to prisons to accomplish. I don't believe that Americans agree and I don't think we have enough information. I would agree that no one should want to go to prison and certainly no one should want to return to prison. Can we agree that in America that concept ain't working? Why or why not is a separate issue. Can we agree that what we are doing doesn't work - IF, our goal is to deter people from committing crimes that would result in incarceration and also to greatly decrease the rate of recidivism?
 
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Oh yeah.... it can be a royal PITA getting that 17th round to go in the magazine. Spring is really stiff at that point.... they make a special tool for forcing that 17th round into the mag.

Lotta people just load 16 in the mag and one in the breech.
 
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Depends on context. Gun control has been shown to have different effects on different cultures.

However, I don't support the concept of "universal gun rights", or whatever. Rights require responsibilities.
 
cpgrad08 said:
Don't forget glocks suck. =) Proud old school 1911 .45 acp owner here.
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Don't get me wrong, I loves me some 1911.... but that tech is a century old now, and we can do a bit better for combat handguns now.

Yeah, I know, I'm goin' to hail for saying that....
 
Goshin said:
What do you want to know about them? They're relatively lightweight but the recoil is controllable; they're pretty accurate and reliable. They WILL set off a metal detector, contrary to urban myth. They're too large to conceal in a pocket or an ankle holster; they're normally carried on a belt holster or shoulder holster.


Anything else you need to know?
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I needed to know whether a woman say 125 pounds small to medium frame would be able to handle that weapon with the longer clip or should i go to a standard clip. Even a different gun like the Glock 19?
 
cpgrad08 said:
Don't forget glocks suck. =) Proud old school 1911 .45 acp owner here.
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the older glocks were goodmthe newer ones had problems because glock thoughtn plastic on plastic was a good idea on slides vs stel on plastic,as well as paper thin barrels vs their older moderate thickness barrerls.the morale is before i joined the army cops were throwing away glocks faster than they got them because the wo problems i mentioned made them unfirable.i dont know about brand new glocks but around 5 years ago they were complete junk from just 2 design flaws!!!
 
Risky Thicket said:
Liz, I agree and disagree. First, in the U.S. we must come to some sort of expectation of what we'd like to prisons to accomplish. I don't believe that Americans agree and I don't think we have enough information. I would agree that no one should want to go to prison and certainly no one should want to return to prison. Can we agree that in America that concept ain't working? Why or why not is a separate issue. Can we agree that what we are doing doesn't work - IF, our goal is to deter people from committing crimes that would result in incarceration and also to greatly decrease the rate of recidivism?
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Sure we can agree, but ex-cons should not be carrying around an unpaid debt for the rest of their lives. If they have paid their debt, then it should be considered paid- completely. Alot of ex-cons can't get a decent job, and are never trusted again for their entire lives. This is a failure of the justice system, and imo, a grave failure affecting those who have done their time. Don't get me wrong- I'm a justice-minded person. I support the death penalty and hard time for hard crime, but what we are doing is obviously not working, either for law-abiding citizens or for the ex-cons.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
Not a gun owner and never even shot one. Am writing a mystery novel and it what does anyone think of a Glock 17 9mm with the seventeen shot clip. Any opinions or advice on this weapon would be appreciated. Thanks.

Oh a female detective would be using it.
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Terminology, Katie. It's magazine not "clip". While seventeen shot magazine is not incorrect I think 17 round magazine is more common. Goshin is your best go to guy here for the most common and current terminology. It does change from time to time.
 
Goshin said:
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Oh yeah.... it can be a royal PITA getting that 17th round to go in the magazine. Spring is really stiff at that point.... they make a special tool for forcing that 17th round into the mag.

Lotta people just load 16 in the mag and one in the breech.
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Might there be a better gun for the detective to use.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
What would you recommend other that a Glock 17 if you say they suck what would be better to use?
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He doesn't mean it, he's just a 1911 guy. Some Beretta owners will give you a similar fanboy tongue in cheek statement.
 
lizzie said:
Sure we can agree, but ex-cons should not be carrying around an unpaid debt for the rest of their lives. If they have paid their debt, then it should be considered paid- completely. Alot of ex-cons can't get a decent job, and are never trusted again for their entire lives. This is a failure of the justice system, and imo, a grave failure affecting those who have done their time. Don't get me wrong- I'm a justice-minded person. I support the death penalty and hard time for hard crime, but what we are doing is obviously not working, either for law-abiding citizens or for the ex-cons.
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good point but lets not forget so many prisons imprison criminals with no education but education inside some prisons is minimal.and ofcourse a criminal leaving prison with no where to go resorts to crime!thats how my cousin was,he kept getting into meth and requested to leave cali so he he wouldnt be near his old meth buddies,but the cali govt said no so he kept ending up wih the crowd he tried to avoid.after 15 years he found a judge who aproved his request and moved him to middle of nowhere religious right arizona,since then hes been clean,there he has the help and doesnt have his old temptations to throw him off course,pretty much a fresh start,whereas the court want him smack dab in the middle of meth ville where his problem started.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Terminology, Katie. It's magazine not "clip". While seventeen shot magazine is not incorrect I think 17 round magazine is more common. Goshin is your best go to guy here for the most common and current terminology. It does change from time to time.
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At this moment in time I am just looking for the weapon for this detective to use. This is my first attempt at a novel outside of a standard romance so i am somewhat out of my depth as yet. Only on chapter five with the last chapter and prologue and epilogue done.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
I needed to know whether a woman say 125 pounds small to medium frame would be able to handle that weapon with the longer clip or should i go to a standard clip. Even a different gun like the Glock 19?
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It would depend on the size of her hands. One thing some women hate about Glocks is the fat grip, due to the double-column magazine. Women with small hands often find them difficult; but this can usually be overcome with sufficient extra training. A 125 pound woman whose hands were of, say, slightly larger than average size would have no problems.

Most women I know that shoot Glock 9mm find the weapons recoil and weight very manageable.

The 19 is often the more popular choice, as it is a bit shorter (length and height) and therefore more concealable, but it is the same thickness with the same "fat grip".

Hope that helped a bit...
 
If your character has small hands, she'd probably be a lot happier with a weapon with a slimmer grip, like the Kel-tec 9mm, or maybe that single-stack Glock (I forget model #)
 
Goshin said:
It would depend on the size of her hands. One thing some women hate about Glocks is the fat grip, due to the double-column magazine. Women with small hands often find them difficult; but this can usually be overcome with sufficient extra training. A 125 pound woman whose hands were of, say, slightly larger than average size would have no problems.

Most women I know that shoot Glock 9mm find the weapons recoil and weight very manageable.

The 19 is often the more popular choice, as it is a bit shorter (length and height) and therefore more concealable, but it is the same thickness with the same "fat grip".

Hope that helped a bit...
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women can handle pretty much any firearm a man can,only exceptio is smith and wesson .500 which most men cant even handle.its recoil and most women can handle it its just they are usually scared of it,but its not overwhelming!
 
lizzie said:
Sure we can agree, but ex-cons should not be carrying around an unpaid debt for the rest of their lives. If they have paid their debt, then it should be considered paid- completely. Alot of ex-cons can't get a decent job, and are never trusted again for their entire lives. This is a failure of the justice system, and imo, a grave failure affecting those who have done their time. Don't get me wrong- I'm a justice-minded person. I support the death penalty and hard time for hard crime, but what we are doing is obviously not working, either for law-abiding citizens or for the ex-cons.
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We agree. I also believe that the system needs to change and America needs to be on board with that. Non-violent druggies have been proven to have lower recidivism rates if they go have real drug rehab as opposed to straight incarceration, and it is less expensive. I also don't agree with mandatory sentencing laws.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
Might there be a better gun for the detective to use.
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Used to be the case that most detectives, male or female, went with a Smith and Wesson J-frame revolver, 5 shot, .38 special caliber.

Nowadays more likely to be the similar but lighter Airweight, or LadySmith, in the same caliber, with a tritium front sight (glows in the dark), or a Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm in the compact configuration.

The Smith and Wesson M&P is HUGE with the real front-line pros these days. Well, I mean hugely popular, not physically huge. :)
 
Goshin said:
It would depend on the size of her hands. One thing some women hate about Glocks is the fat grip, due to the double-column magazine. Women with small hands often find them difficult; but this can usually be overcome with sufficient extra training. A 125 pound woman whose hands were of, say, slightly larger than average size would have no problems.

Most women I know that shoot Glock 9mm find the weapons recoil and weight very manageable.

The 19 is often the more popular choice, as it is a bit shorter (length and height) and therefore more concealable, but it is the same thickness with the same "fat grip".

Hope that helped a bit...
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I am probably pretty close to your description of the woman with the slightly larger than average hands, and low weight, but physically strong for my size. It's pretty difficult for me to handle a 9mm at all (cocking it), and would be especially so under duress. Although they are boring and un-sexy, I prefer a .38 revolver any day of the week, lol.
 
FOr those of you that want no guns at all or long wait periods etc explain to me how you are helping law abiding citizens?

Banning guns or making it hard to get them does nothing but takes the guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens while the criminals keep theirs, you basically punish and endanger good citizens while you empower criminals. Ill never understand how anybody thinks it will help/be better. Please explain your logic if you think this way.
 
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