View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I don't think felons who are released, even if time is served, should get free access to guns. The truth is that criminal recidivism is way too high to entrust these people with a tool that can help them commit crimes they are known to commit. Obvious exceptions can be made, such as if you're in prison for insurance fraud or some non-violent crime, but if someone was sent away for assault with a deadly weapon, aggravated anything, rape, etc. your right to ever touch a weapon is forfeit, in my opinion. You are demonstrably untrustworthy for it.


    Then that is a malfunction of the justice system. If felons are violent, then they should be kept in custody. If they have paid their debt to society, then the debt should be considered *paid in full*, and they should regain their constitutional rights as free citizens.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Then this seems to significantly undermine the authority of the constitution, doesn't it? This being the case then how can one argue that other constitutional rights cannot be conditioned by the application of subsequent legislation? A Bill of Rights doesn't seem to mean so much in that case.
    exactly.

    It's also an issue to those who have been imprisoned being unable to find gainful employment. Imo, when a criminal has done his time, and if he is considered safe to live back in society, he should not have a felony record haunting him the rest of his life.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie
    Then that is a malfunction of the justice system. If felons are violent, then they should be kept in custody. If they have paid their debt to society, then the debt should be considered *paid in full*, and they should regain their constitutional rights as free citizens.
    In that case, all violent and drug-related crimes should involve life imprisonment.

    In addition, parole should be eliminated, since it's basically just a "second chance" system that says you have the right to obey more strict guidelines or face advanced punishment.

    You may be able to put a static figure on "paid in full", but humanism defies the most elementary concept of that.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Opinions are NEVER wrong.
    They can be wrong. Say my opinion was that gravity is actually an invisible giant who keeps us all pressed down to the ground. That’s an example of a wrong opinion. Opinions often speak to items of personal interpretation and thus often times are not “wrong” in the sense that there are varying views to a system. But it’s not that they are NEVER wrong, since an opinion can in fact be wrong.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They can be wrong.....
    no, they cannot. if I say chocolate is better than vanilla, I cannot be wrong, as its purely subjective & dependent upon my personal taste.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    In that case, all violent and drug-related crimes should involve life imprisonment.
    Then so be it, if the drug-related crimes involved shooting or killing someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    In addition, parole should be eliminated, since it's basically just a "second chance" system that says you have the right to obey more strict guidelines or face advanced punishment.
    Yes. Eliminate parole.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You may be able to put a static figure on "paid in full", but humanism defies the most elementary concept of that.
    If the sentence is 30 years, then keep them for 30 years. If the sentence is life without parole, then do it. If it's death, then meet out the death penalty. If someone has paid sufficiently for their crime, to the extent that we release them, then realease them without any type of legal bonds.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Then this seems to significantly undermine the authority of the constitution, doesn't it? This being the case then how can one argue that other constitutional rights cannot be conditioned by the application of subsequent legislation? A Bill of Rights doesn't seem to mean so much in that case.
    This is exactly how I see it. I feel our rights should be unconditional. When we remove rights from individuals for whatever reason it sets a bad precedence. Imagine if we applied this logic to the 1st amendment? We do not like what you are saying so you now lose your freedom of speech....

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    This is exactly how I see it. I feel our rights should be unconditional.....
    so you are against speed limit laws, seatbelt laws, j-walking laws, red-light laws, stop sign laws?

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    so you are against speed limit laws, seatbelt laws, j-walking laws, red-light laws, stop sign laws?
    Those are not covered in the BOR.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Those are not covered in the BOR.
    that's not the question. and he didn't refer to the BOR.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    This is exactly how I see it. I feel our rights should be unconditional....

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