View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Yeah self defence is important but how abt this scenario? - latest news
    2 adults dead in Florida high school shooting - CNN.com
    That's the whole idiocy behind a lot of gun control. I understand wanting to limit the number of people who can be injured/killed in a given time-frame by a single person but any idea that gun control will stop murder is laughable. If you want someone dead there are many, many ways to kill them that don't involve guns. The average house is filled with potentially lethal instruments - knives, baseball bats, hammers, etc. - and that doesn't count martial arts/hand-to-hand combat or plain, old-fashioned amateur wrestling coupled with rage.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well since Florida has the death penalty and short of breaking someone on the wheel or impaling them on a stake, the DP is the most severe deterrent we have but if a guy plans on killing himself the only way to stop him from killing others is to kill him first

    let me guess, the Headmistress didn't have a weapon
    Doesn't matter if she had a weapon or not. If someone gets the drop on you with a lethal weapon then you're probably toast.
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    Re: Guns

    Guns-fatimasm-jpg

    One community took an approach that was very controversial, but it paid off.

    (Kennesaw, GA) In 1982, the Kennesaw City Council unanimously passed a law requiring heads of households to own at least one firearm with ammunition.

    The ordinance states the gun law is needed to "protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants."

    "People all over the country said there would be shootings in the street and violence in homes," he said. "Of course, that wasn't the case."

    In fact, according to Stephenson, it caused the crime rate in the city to plunge.

    Kennesaw Historical Society president Robert Jones said following the law's passage, the crime rate dropped 89 percent in the city.

    Gun Ownership - It's The Law In Kennesaw

    Before you say it, I'm not for government "forcing anyone to purchase anything." It isn't Constitutional.

    "The ordinance was purely symbolic. Most homes in Kennesaw already had a gun before the ordinance, and it seems unlikely the ordinance had any effect on prevalence since there was no penalty specified in the law for refusal to comply."

    Gun Control and the Second Amendment

    States with Higher Percentages of Gun Owners Have Less Violent Crime

    More Guns Equals Less Violent Crime - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Webb View Post
    Guns-fatimasm-jpg

    One community took an approach that was very controversial, but it paid off.

    (Kennesaw, GA) In 1982, the Kennesaw City Council unanimously passed a law requiring heads of households to own at least one firearm with ammunition.

    The ordinance states the gun law is needed to "protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants."

    "People all over the country said there would be shootings in the street and violence in homes," he said. "Of course, that wasn't the case."

    In fact, according to Stephenson, it caused the crime rate in the city to plunge.

    Kennesaw Historical Society president Robert Jones said following the law's passage, the crime rate dropped 89 percent in the city.

    Gun Ownership - It's The Law In Kennesaw

    Before you say it, I'm not for government "forcing anyone to purchase anything." It isn't Constitutional.

    "The ordinance was purely symbolic. Most homes in Kennesaw already had a gun before the ordinance, and it seems unlikely the ordinance had any effect on prevalence since there was no penalty specified in the law for refusal to comply."

    Gun Control and the Second Amendment

    States with Higher Percentages of Gun Owners Have Less Violent Crime

    More Guns Equals Less Violent Crime - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com
    I suspect a causal relationship error here at a minimum. More likely there is a lot liberty with the truth.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    enjoy shooting your paper targets. I'll be doing the same soon enough.
    I put about 100 rounds thru it this afternoon and I have to say I love this weapon. Various characteristics make it very safe to carry and manipulate. The pistol was surprisingly accurate out to 100 meters (the limit of the range I went to, unfortunately).

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I put about 100 rounds thru it this afternoon and I have to say I love this weapon. Various characteristics make it very safe to carry and manipulate. The pistol was surprisingly accurate out to 100 meters (the limit of the range I went to, unfortunately).
    There is no way that I could consistently hit a man sized silhouette with a pistol at 100 meters. 100 feet, all over it. 100 meters, pure luck.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That's the whole idiocy behind a lot of gun control. I understand wanting to limit the number of people who can be injured/killed in a given time-frame by a single person but any idea that gun control will stop murder is laughable. If you want someone dead there are many, many ways to kill them that don't involve guns. The average house is filled with potentially lethal instruments - knives, baseball bats, hammers, etc. - and that doesn't count martial arts/hand-to-hand combat or plain, old-fashioned amateur wrestling coupled with rage.

    Doesn't matter if she had a weapon or not. If someone gets the drop on you with a lethal weapon then you're probably toast.
    maybe, but if you are unarmed and someone gets the drop on you you are far more Screwed than if you have a weapon.

    I shot in a few IPSC matches with this guy my first year on the tour

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    There is no way that I could consistently hit a man sized silhouette with a pistol at 100 meters. 100 feet, all over it. 100 meters, pure luck.
    I used to think that until I started shooting lots of IPSC. We have steel cutouts of rams at 100 yards at our range. They are about a foot long and about 10" high, With a ten round magazine in a Smith and Wesson 22 caliber model 41 target pistol I can hit 4/10 standing two hands. Off a bench rest-9-10/10

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    maybe, but if you are unarmed and someone gets the drop on you you are far more Screwed than if you have a weapon.

    I shot in a few IPSC matches with this guy my first year on the tour

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    Dead or unconscious is dead or unconscious, it doesn't matter if you happen to have a gun on you or not except that now the other guy will have it.

    In that video the guy without the shotgun is just being stupid. If he wanted the other guy dead, or at least down, he would have been. Instead, he had to do the "Hollywood thing" to try and talk him to death. If someone wants you dead and gets the drop on you, you're gonna' be down at the very least. The best you can hope for is that he doesn't kill you on the first shot and someone else takes him out after you're down.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Dead or unconscious is dead or unconscious, it doesn't matter if you happen to have a gun on you or not except that now the other guy will have it.

    In that video the guy without the shotgun is just being stupid. If he wanted the other guy dead, or at least down, he would have been. Instead, he had to do the "Hollywood thing" to try and talk him to death. If someone wants you dead and gets the drop on you, you're gonna' be down at the very least. The best you can hope for is that he doesn't kill you on the first shot and someone else takes him out after you're down.
    the point is, if you have a gun you have a much better chance than if you don't

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the point is, if you have a gun you have a much better chance than if you don't
    I know what your point is, I just disagree with it in the case of murder.

    However, you do stand a better chance in a well-armed society because the would-be criminal will typically have more than one gun to face. Even if he catches everyone off-guard he can only get one, maybe two, before he's brought down. It's like MAD, no one shoots first because they know it'll kill them.

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    Of course, even that wouldn't have helped in this case since the guy offed himself afterward.
    Last edited by MoSurveyor; 03-08-12 at 12:22 AM.
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