View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    shooting a killer is not murder

    try again
    Just this evening I bought a Springfield 45acp 5.25. Gona go put a couple boxes threw it tomorrow.

    http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php?model=4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Just this evening I bought a Springfield 45acp 5.25. Gona go put a couple boxes threw it tomorrow.
    enjoy shooting your paper targets. I'll be doing the same soon enough.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    if you hunt a murderer down, and shoot him in the head, you too are now a murderer.

    only police have the right & authority to apprehend criminal suspects.

    the ONLY legal way one can apprehend a criminal suspect, is if you yourself actually witness the crime taking place.

    then you can detain him..and even kill him if its necessary to save lives.
    Let me help you out Thunder. Go ahead and refer to me as tutor from now on, murder is a specific term used in homicides where the willful killing of another human occurs this can be pre-meditated or not pre-meditated but it involves killing someone without due cause meaning that in murder the guilty party is the aggressor. In most states third party defense falls under self-defense protections meaning it counts as a justifyable homicide. If you can't get this don't try to tackle something as advanced as militia definitions, powder loads, and muzzle velocities, learn the basics first.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Just this evening I bought a Springfield 45acp 5.25.
    Ah, Springfield. Great firearms, sadly though, not made in America.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    if you hunt a murderer down, and shoot him in the head, you too are now a murderer.

    only police have the right & authority to apprehend criminal suspects.

    the ONLY legal way one can apprehend a criminal suspect, is if you yourself actually witness the crime taking place.

    then you can detain him..and even kill him if its necessary to save lives.
    No no, if I'm one of the people this guy is going after, he walks into my office with a gun drawn, I'm going to shoot him. There is no "hunting him down". He came to me. he displayed intent to inflict grave bodily harm. I'm totally justified. I doubt I would even be taken in for questioning or my weapon retained by the police as evidence. It's what police call a 'good shooting'.

    And let's say I'm just a parent who happens to be in the school at the time; it's reasonable for me to fear for the safety of all the children on the campus and pursue the shooter, even killing him if the conditions are right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Let me help you out Thunder. Go ahead and refer to me as tutor from now on, murder is a specific term used in homicides where the willful killing of another human occurs this can be pre-meditated or not pre-meditated but it involves killing someone without due cause meaning that in murder the guilty party is the aggressor. In most states third party defense falls under self-defense protections meaning it counts as a justifyable homicide. If you can't get this don't try to tackle something as advanced as militia definitions, powder loads, and muzzle velocities, learn the basics first.
    I'm not an attorney, nor do I play one on tv. But I will tell you this: IF you think someone has committed a murder, and you grab your gun, drive to his house, call him out, and shoot him dead.....YOU will be tried & likely convicted of murder.

    There is only ONE time that you can kill someone: that is in self-defense of in the defense of others.

    no need to thank me.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No no, if I'm one of the people this guy is going after, he walks into my office with a gun drawn, I'm going to shoot him. There is no "hunting him down". He came to me. he displayed intent to inflict grave bodily harm. I'm totally justified. I doubt I would even be taken in for questioning or my weapon retained by the police as evidence. It's what police call a 'good shooting'.
    oh, if he hunts you down? in that scenario, let er' rip.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I'm not an attorney, nor do I play one on tv. But I will tell you this: IF you think someone has committed a murder, and you grab your gun, drive to his house, call him out, and shoot him dead.....YOU will be tried & likely convicted of murder.

    There is only ONE time that you can kill someone: that is in self-defense of in the defense of others.

    no need to thank me.
    And that isn't what anyone was talking about, we all know where the line is on the second amendment side.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I'm not an attorney, nor do I play one on tv. But I will tell you this: IF you think someone has committed a murder, and you grab your gun, drive to his house, call him out, and shoot him dead.....YOU will be tried & likely convicted of murder.

    There is only ONE time that you can kill someone: that is in self-defense of in the defense of others.

    no need to thank me.
    As far as I can see, nobody other than you was talking about doing any such thing.

    As far as I can see, in Jerry's post to which you responded with “and then you'd be guilty of murder”, he was very clearly talking hypothetically about killing someone who he might be witnessing about to murder someone else—circumstances that any rational person would recognize as fully-justified. Of course, because the crime in question happened in a “gun-free zone”, only the murderer had a gun, and everyone else was powerless to stop him.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Think Rubby ridge. Or any number of individuals agaisnt the government. Out numbered and overrun.

    Many of you are leaping to all out war, which is even more unlikely. If that ahppened, again, being armed would be the least of our problems. I spoke about us fighting our government, which would mean our army is intact, and there would hardly be any serious numbers of support. Over rather quickly. Others leapt to us being invaded, and went silly with an old D movie that presented something so unrealistic as to be laughable. reminded me of all those old communist films they showed in churches in the 50's and
    60's. But such an event would also be different, and having our own guns would only a little.
    One of the points I truly admire about Ruby Ridge and other incidents was that it was not just all about survival. They stood up for a cause they believed in. They were not just fighting to live but for their rights and principles as well.

    We do need more well armed and trained citizen militias in case of an unfortunate event.

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didn’t have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, I’m allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and I’ve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I don’t, before you know it, you won’t let me say nothing at all"
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