View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I am not a fan of Open Carry. While it can certainly be a deterrence, it can also escalate a situation and make the person a target.
    Scenariois this:
    Bad guy walks up to rob the liquor store. Sees a patron with a pistol on his hip. He has two choices. Walk away and find an easier target or blast away.
    I feel it forces the hand of the criminal to go to the next step. I personally do not want to get shot in the back because I am seen as an obstacle.
    You can't carry a gun into a liquor store, fyi, at least not in my state. If the establishment generates more than half of it's income from the sale of malt beverages or liquor, by law it is automatically a gun-free zone (exceptions exist). This is my favorite anti-gun law because I can still go into Safeway or Family Thrift's liquor department and buy alcohol while armed, but if I go next door to the actual liquor store, which is the same size as SW's or FT's liquor department, I would be committing a crime. Same part of town, same time of day, same person, same weapon, same CCW permit, same bottle of liquor...one door leads to responsible drinking, the other door leads to 1-10 years in jail.

    But yes I understand the point you're making and I think it has merit.

    For me, carrying open simply creates to much social tension, because people either panic at the very sight of a pistol, or they're infatuated and always want to ask why I think I need to carry a gun. Either way it makes life harder.

    A gun on the hip should be as normal as a cell phone or molti-tool on the belt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Because it's entertaining. I watch The Cosmos because it's also entertaining.

    Do you watch and read only non-fiction material?


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    Speaking of old Communist movies, I like Dr. Strangelove, too!

    (BTW - "Communist" in the context you used it in should be capitalized. At least, I assume you were referring to the USSR style Communism and not a hippie commune.)
    You miss my point. I watch and read all kinds of fiction, which often requires the willing suspension of disbelief. But I don't pretend it represents reality, as some here are.

    Yes, Dr. Strangelove is a classic. Though I like Fail Safe a little better.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I asked you waht your agenda is on guns-every gun thread you jump on it and chide gun owners for being fearful rather than actually directly take on the issue

    What I see is someone who has a snarky disdain for gun owners based on an emotoresponse to the fact that most gun rights advocates are anti-left and that seems to motivate your ancillary attacks on them by claiming gun owners are fearful

    Its sort of a hyena style attack by someone who realizes acting the part of the lion will get him stomped with facts
    Is there an issue here? The question is what I think gun control should be. I stated that early on and merely follow the discussion as it goes.

    But I have no disdain for gun owners, responsible gun owners. I have disdain for the mythology, the magical almost religious reverence some hold towards guns. There is a difference.


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    Re: Guns

    I prefer more Gun education than more Gun control.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You can't carry a gun into a liquor store, fyi, at least not in my state. If the establishment generates more than half of it's income from the sale of malt beverages or liquor, by law it is automatically a gun-free zone (exceptions exist). This is my favorite anti-gun law because I can still go into Safeway or Family Thrift's liquor department and buy alcohol while armed, but if I go next door to the actual liquor store, which is the same size as SW's or FT's liquor department, I would be committing a crime. Same part of town, same time of day, same person, same weapon, same CCW permit, same bottle of liquor...one door leads to responsible drinking, the other door leads to 1-10 years in jail.

    But yes I understand the point you're making and I think it has merit.

    For me, carrying open simply creates to much social tension, because people either panic at the very sight of a pistol, or they're infatuated and always want to ask why I think I need to carry a gun. Either way it makes life harder.

    A gun on the hip should be as normal as a cell phone or molti-tool on the belt.
    I don't want to derail the discussion, but it is perfectly legal to carry in a liquor store in FLorida. The law you state is for establishments that sell liquor for Consumption on the Premises. You state may be different. You might want to check.

    Agree with all of your other statements however.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Think Rubby ridge. Or any number of individuals agaisnt the government. Out numbered and overrun.
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    Ruby Ridge is a bad example. It took place out in the woods. The government took 360 degree attack position on the cabin. An urban environment the government would have 360 degree threat environment. Ruby ridge also featured small numbers of government agencies. I never said people wouldn't die. But the occupational force would loose many troops, morale would drop as sniper fire, bombs, and all kinds of demoralizing attacks occured. Vietnam? Iraq? The invasion of these kinds of places cannot be done in full scale. The bigger the occupationa force is...the bigger the target becomes. You don't have to kill every soldier to kill an army. You can kill the morale and a few politicians and that will end an occupation fast.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I don't want to derail the discussion, but it is perfectly legal to carry in a liquor store in FLorida. The law you state is for establishments that sell liquor for Consumption on the Premises. You state may be different. You might want to check.

    Agree with all of your other statements however.
    Yep. You can carry into an airport as well in Florida. Just not past security. The law is that it must be a place of consumption of alcohol, and alcohol MUST be the primary reason for the existence of the establishment. So applebees don't count lol;
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Ruby Ridge is a bad example. It took place out in the woods. The government took 360 degree attack position on the cabin. An urban environment the government would have 360 degree threat environment. Ruby ridge also featured small numbers of government agencies. I never said people wouldn't die. But the occupational force would loose many troops, morale would drop as sniper fire, bombs, and all kinds of demoralizing attacks occured. Vietnam? Iraq? The invasion of these kinds of places cannot be done in full scale. The bigger the occupationa force is...the bigger the target becomes. You don't have to kill every soldier to kill an army. You can kill the morale and a few politicians and that will end an occupation fast.
    Read the rest of what I said.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    I prefer more Gun education than more Gun control.
    Great if this works and great if men are shown how NOT to use a gun....How to self defend without killing others..The Conservatives here must remember that its 2012 not 1612...0r 1912..

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Is there an issue here? The question is what I think gun control should be. I stated that early on and merely follow the discussion as it goes.

    But I have no disdain for gun owners, responsible gun owners. I have disdain for the mythology, the magical almost religious reverence some hold towards guns. There is a difference.

    so you have disdain for a mainly fictional attitude that is mostly a nonexistent phenomenon of leftwing creative thinking

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