View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I like the background checks to prevent felons and crazy people from getting guns, and I like the waiting periods so that no one can purchase a gun in the heat of passion, or especially to kill themselves in the depths of depression. Beyond that, it's illegal guns that need to be the focus of our efforts. Lawful gun owners are actually pretty responsible people, though many illegal guns are stolen from those lawful owners....
    many illegal guns start out being purchased legally.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue
    How? If a convicted felon has served their sentence then denying them the same access to self-defence as other citizens is unconstitutional. If an individual has been certified insane, then they should be institutionalised. If they are not so seriously disturbed as to require care and institutionalisation, then denying them the same self-defence as other citizens is unconstitutional.
    If there was any reasonable level of assurance that they would only use a weapon for self-defense, I would support it. Truth is that logic and statistics dictate otherwise.

    Then you need a constitutional amendment to state that, don't you?
    The Constitution is way outdated for every infinitesimal detail. In the 18th century they were defending themselves from invading tyranny. It was inapplicable. Do I think Benedict Arnold would've been given a musket? Kinda doubt it.

    So, does that exception exist?
    I'm not sure. I don't work for the DoD or any agency that determines who can have guns and who can't. If they want to exclude someone for a felony - any felony - so be it. I am just saying that there is a disconnect between someone who holds up a liquor store with an uzi and someone who uses a computer and a telephone to commit securities fraud.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The People put in new laws. The People have spoken, and they don't want convicted felons, children, non-citizens, folks under indictment, or folks who have been institutionalized in the past, owning firarms.

    why would you?
    I'm sure that's true, but why has there not therefore been a constitutional amendment? Either the constitution is the ultimate statement of rights or it isn't, surely.
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    Re: Guns

    I say a quick background check is all you need, we don't want criminals to have guns after all. But other than that if your background check shows your record is good and your a law abiding citizen you should be able to buy any legal gun of your choosing. I think the waiting period is unnessary as well.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Then why are none of these exceptions mentioned in the constitution? Why has no amendment been effected?
    Good question, Andy. My answer is because these days the Constitution is only used when it is convenient. The federal government is not about to give Americans more power. Once they take it away, it isn't coming back.










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    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I'm sure that's true, but why has there not therefore been a constitutional amendment? Either the constitution is the ultimate statement of rights or it isn't, surely.
    because most people understand that some laws are basic common sense, and don't need an Amendment to the Constitution to justify them. The Supreme Court agrees.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Good question, Andy. My answer is because these days the Constitution is only used when it is convenient. The federal government is not about to give Americans more power. Once they take it away, it isn't coming back.
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    because most people understand that some laws are basic common sense, and don't need an Amendment to the Constitution to justify them. The Supreme Court agrees.
    Then this seems to significantly undermine the authority of the constitution, doesn't it? This being the case then how can one argue that other constitutional rights cannot be conditioned by the application of subsequent legislation? A Bill of Rights doesn't seem to mean so much in that case.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    that's fine. the thread asked my opinion and I gave it.
    I'm not saying you can't express your opinion, I was merely posting as to why your opinion was wrong. Hehehe
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm not saying you can't express your opinion, I was merely posting as to why your opinion was wrong. Hehehe
    Opinions are NEVER wrong.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Opinions are NEVER wrong.
    I wouldn't go that far. I might be of the opinion that pigs have wings and can fly. If I did, I would be wrong. We're allowed to have opinions, but they are not created equal. Some opinions are simply superior to others, based on what backs them up, be it facts or reasoning.

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