View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by cthomp View Post
    I don't know what you mean in being party to. As far as if you can't defend yourself without a gun, you can't with one is not true. Just showing you have a gun can prevent being harmed. Why are you against law abiding citizens having the right to carry concealed firearms?
    Don't even have to show one. Again, the mind is the greatest wepaon, and if you can't defend yourself without a weapon, you can't with one.

    As for what I meant, how many robbies have you been present at?

    And no one said I was against it. I merely said the fear is overplayed. And that we have some religuious attachment to weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Cemetaries are full of people who thought the crook "only wanted the cash".
    Nice sound bite, but little more than that. They are also full of people who were armed, but not safe. How do we decide which one means something?

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Don't even have to show one. Again, the mind is the greatest wepaon, and if you can't defend yourself without a weapon, you can't with one.

    As for what I meant, how many robbies have you been present at?

    And no one said I was against it. I merely said the fear is overplayed. And that we have some religuious attachment to weapons.
    Why do you say if you can't defend yourself without a weapon, you can't with one? I have never been present at a robbery. However, I am still young. Anyone in the safest of places could find themselves in the middle of a robbery or a violent attack.

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    Re: Guns

    Regardless of my views on gun control (which are fairly loose) I will probably never carry one. I've lived over 50 years, been in some pretty nasty parts of town a little, been and lived in iffy parts of town a lot, and I've never seen someone pull a gun in public. I know from crime statistics that it's getting more prevalent, much more so than when I was younger - and that leads me to wonder why. Guns were here long before I was born so why are they so common now? Seems like a more productive line of social research would be to answer that question then start to work a way around or through that issue.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Using this description I would be suggesting required service in an organized militia with continuing participation optional. Exact structure at the top would probably need to vary from State to State but should tend to be local units. Firearms required for militia duty would be exempt from any (civilian) requirements for ownership but would still be privately owned.
    But the melitia hasn't been called up in over 100 years. There's nothing to do today for anyone to be legaly required to activly participate.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If you leave the militia and still want to retain ownership of a fully automatic rifle you would need to meet common sense standards for civilian ownership.
    A military issued M16/M4 is not fully automatic, fyi. It has a 3-round-burst setting, and it's that setting which is illegal. You would need to posses a machine gun (which is not a rifle) in order to get into the full-auto range of weapons, and then those are not classified as "personal weapons", so the 2nd doesn't protect private ownership of them anyway. The only possible exception might be the M249 'saw', but I doubt it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I am certainly not qualified - and I doubt anybody here is, either - to determine what those standards might be in detail.
    SCOTUS already outlined them in detail. I can give you a link later tonight.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I think gun related or violent felonies should probably disqualify you, though there could be exceptions. Mental illnesses of certain types should disqualify you. Excessively violent behavior coupled with alcohol or drug abuse (not use, abuse) might disqualify you. In short, if you're a fairly well-behaved, common kinda' guy you're good to go but, again, we're talking about a fully automatic firearm, not a hunting rifle; there should be stricter standards.
    Open-bolt weapon systems like the M249 light machine gun and the M240B medium machine gun are actually safer to store, carry, and manipulate then any semi-auto pistol or rifle. Also, most hunting rifles fire more lethal rounds then either stated machine gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Also, most hunting rifles fire more lethal rounds then either stated machine gun.
    I guess you're under-valuing the machine gun in some effort to make it seem less destructive than it is but we both know better. At 725 (alt 1000) rounds per minute it really doesn't matter much that a single round is less destructive. The question is, are 12 rounds less destructive than the one from a 30-30 or other hunting rifle? I'd bet the answer is no. More to the point, 12 rounds can hit more people. The single shot, even if it's some exotic monster like TD was talking about earlier, can still only hit one person per second at best.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The average citizen simply cannot match their fire power. It can't be done. We don't live in the world that is depicted in the Patriot.
    Cannot match the firepower of the average infantry soldier or police officer? I can buy a .300 Win Mag rifle...plenty of ammo...a great scope...and I have more firepower than the average military or police rifle.

    I can buy the exact same weapons they use.

    I can buy the same ammo.

    We still live in a world where people die by 1 bullet. That is all that matters. What politicians don't understand is that ammo restriction simply means I gotta make the 1st one count.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They did not do it with hunting rifles or without support. Frankly, what you speak of is a nightmare situaiton for this country. Nothing like the founding fathers had in mind. No, today is a different world. If you want to overthrow this government, to combat our government, I recommend some other plan.
    Sukarno had no support from anyone. The Dutch had vastly superior weapons. True, the Indonesians had captured Japanise weapons, but little ammo and no real framework for resupply.

    I agree that it has a very low chance of success, but with no means to resist there is zero chance.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, more of a risk in some areas than others. How many have you been party to?

    And if can't defend yourself without a gun, you can't with one. It is false to say you have no chance without a gun. The greatest weapon is always the mind.
    Again I say this, the soldiers at Fort hood felt they were in the safest place on the planet. Every single one of them had training in hand-to-hand combat. I guarantee they could all "defend themselves without a gun".
    I do 100% agree that the best weapon is the mind. If you lose your cool when the excrement reaches the oscillating wind generator... No matter what type of firearm you have you are probably done.
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    Re: Guns

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    ouch, I heard that smack all the way to Ohio

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