View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, not the same situation, time, place or likely to work here. You first have to have a country invaded, without our army fighting, and with only your hunting rifles. Do you really see that?
    The French government was the government and Vietnam. The Dutch Government was the government in Indonesia. The French government was the government in Algeria. Granted the world was different then, after the second world war. France and the Netherlands were not economically stable. However, those are examples of uprisings from within that dominated the standing governments with out access to modern weaponry.
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    But, to answer your question. No. I do not see that I will ever need to bring arms against my own country in my lifetime.
    However, if a Govt were to ever try to strip an American of their right to keep and bear arms....that would be the first step towards Tyranny.

    Way too many examples in history that illustrate that fact.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Folks have lost touch with the need and utility of the militia because, thankfully, we haven't been invaded.

    The National Guard is not big enough to repel an invasion, and the regular Army takes time to mobilize. Armed private citizens are very much a vital piece of homeland security.
    We are close in a way. Yes, "Folks have lost touch with the need and utility of the militia because, thankfully, we haven't been invaded." And yes,the NG and Army may have been circumvented and/or slow. And, armed private citizens can make an invasion by a foreign force more difficult. But, to be effective, the armed private citizens have to be on the same page with some training and some primitive, hard to detect, communication, etc. The density of gun ownership in the areas I live in is such that a dozen members would be essentially neighbors. Also, the criminal element that has guns will be opportunistic in this situation; therefore it's best if they don't have guns.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    A militia can be organized, and frequently was during the revolutionary war, but is typically unorganized, officially. While there is always some kind of command structure, it is not formal, recognized by the host country or otherwise ligitomit. Subordinates can not be charged with any crime for braking any evident chain of command in an unorganized militia, for example, while they can be in an organized militia or other official military.
    Using this description I would be suggesting required service in an organized militia with continuing participation optional. Exact structure at the top would probably need to vary from State to State but should tend to be local units. Firearms required for militia duty would be exempt from any (civilian) requirements for ownership but would still be privately owned.

    If you leave the militia and still want to retain ownership of a fully automatic rifle you would need to meet common sense standards for civilian ownership. I am certainly not qualified - and I doubt anybody here is, either - to determine what those standards might be in detail. I think gun related or violent felonies should probably disqualify you, though there could be exceptions. Mental illnesses of certain types should disqualify you. Excessively violent behavior coupled with alcohol or drug abuse (not use, abuse) might disqualify you. In short, if you're a fairly well-behaved, common kinda' guy you're good to go but, again, we're talking about a fully automatic firearm, not a hunting rifle; there should be stricter standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I find the world fairly straightforward in that regard. even in the inner city, where I grew, situations can be assessed rather quickly and accurately. And in all of them, being smart enough to avoid them is much more valuable than having a weapon.
    It's easier said than done to avoid a dangerous situation. What if you go into a convenient store and a man comes in with a gun attempting to rob that store. You do not know what that person is capable of. They could easily have the thought of leaving no witnesses. If I have a gun, I stand a chance. If I am unarmed I stand no chance. Having a gun could save mine as well as other's lives.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by cthomp View Post
    It's easier said than done to avoid a dangerous situation. What if you go into a convenient store and a man comes in with a gun attempting to rob that store. You do not know what that person is capable of. They could easily have the thought of leaving no witnesses. If I have a gun, I stand a chance. If I am unarmed I stand no chance. Having a gun could save mine as well as other's lives.
    Again, more of a risk in some areas than others. How many have you been party to?

    And if can't defend yourself without a gun, you can't with one. It is false to say you have no chance without a gun. The greatest weapon is always the mind.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    The French government was the government and Vietnam. The Dutch Government was the government in Indonesia. The French government was the government in Algeria. Granted the world was different then, after the second world war. France and the Netherlands were not economically stable. However, those are examples of uprisings from within that dominated the standing governments with out access to modern weaponry.
    They did not do it with hunting rifles or without support. Frankly, what you speak of is a nightmare situaiton for this country. Nothing like the founding fathers had in mind. No, today is a different world. If you want to overthrow this government, to combat our government, I recommend some other plan.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by cthomp View Post
    It's easier said than done to avoid a dangerous situation. What if you go into a convenient store and a man comes in with a gun attempting to rob that store. You do not know what that person is capable of. They could easily have the thought of leaving no witnesses. If I have a gun, I stand a chance. If I am unarmed I stand no chance. Having a gun could save mine as well as other's lives.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, more of a risk in some areas than others. How many have you been party to?

    And if can't defend yourself without a gun, you can't with one. It is false to say you have no chance without a gun. The greatest weapon is always the mind.
    I don't know what you mean in being party to. As far as if you can't defend yourself without a gun, you can't with one is not true. Just showing you have a gun can prevent being harmed. Why are you against law abiding citizens having the right to carry concealed firearms?

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Cemetaries are full of people who thought the crook "only wanted the cash".
    Exactly my point. If someone is willing to use a gun to force someone to give them something who is to say that same criminal will not use that gun to ensure there are no witnesses in an effort to get away with their crime.

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