View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That would seem to imply there has been no change in designation and that "308 NATO" is a misnomer, which is kinda' what I was getting at. Unless you're saying that refers specifically to the commercial versions as some kind of slang.
    I have never heard ".308 NATO" either. I am not a "gun guy" but after 26 years of active duty, I have been around my safe of them.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    ...and not just requiring any firearm, but the kind of assult rifle which is banned in America, featuring burst settings.
    If you mean for use in the militia, I agree completely. Whatever they're currently using and teaching in army basic should apply to the militia. Personal use once you're out of the militia should be a different story, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If you mean for use in the militia, I agree completely. Whatever they're currently using and teaching in army basic should apply to the militia. Personal use once you're out of the militia should be a different story, though.
    Melitia duty is 'personal use'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Maybe. But the reason for the right is largely obsolete. While I have no problem with hunters have weapons, or people in dangerous situations ahving them, I am bothered by the mythical reverence we give guns in this country.
    Not really. If (I understand that this is a huge if) the government decides to become oppressive...they have to use guns to do it. Stealth bomber technology, cruise missiles, drones, and all that aren't going to help in an urban setting where someone can take 1 well placed shot at a random time when the leaders are unaware. Not to mention you don't have to take out the top dog to take out the leadership. You can destabalize and demoralize by attacking officers. Haven't you seen The Patriot? lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Not really. If (I understand that this is a huge if) the government decides to become oppressive...they have to use guns to do it. Stealth bomber technology, cruise missiles, drones, and all that aren't going to help in an urban setting where someone can take 1 well placed shot at a random time when the leaders are unaware. Not to mention you don't have to take out the top dog to take out the leadership. You can destabalize and demoralize by attacking officers. Haven't you seen The Patriot? lol.
    The average citizen simply cannot match their fire power. It can't be done. We don't live in the world that is depicted in the Patriot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cthomp View Post
    How does anyone know how much danger they will face until they are in a certain situation. People are crazy. You never know what situation you could end up in. I'll be prepared for a dangerous situation. Hopefully I am never in a dangerous situation. If I am in one I will be prepared.
    I find the world fairly straightforward in that regard. even in the inner city, where I grew, situations can be assessed rather quickly and accurately. And in all of them, being smart enough to avoid them is much more valuable than having a weapon.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Melitia duty is 'personal use'.
    Then you'll have to explain yourself farther. I was talking about a mandatory service time (maybe 2 years?) in a militia unit just after turning 18 - for both men and women. Once you're past your mandatory service you can certainly elect to remain in the militia if you so desire, up to whatever age seemed appropriate (50?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The average citizen simply cannot match their fire power. It can't be done. We don't live in the world that is depicted in the Patriot.
    Ask the French how those guys with home made guns and bolo knives were able to kick them out of Viet Nam.
    That is what makes an insurgency so scary to governments. You cannot fight an insurgency with stealth bombers and tanks... That is why we were getting our ass kicked in Iraq until the troop surge.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    Ask the French how those guys with home made guns and bolo knives were able to kick them out of Viet Nam.
    That is what makes an insurgency so scary to governments. You cannot fight an insurgency with stealth bombers and tanks... That is why we were getting our ass kicked in Iraq until the troop surge.

    Again, not the same situation, time, place or likely to work here. You first have to have a country invaded, without our army fighting, and with only your hunting rifles. Do you really see that?

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Then you'll have to explain yourself farther. I was talking about a mandatory service time (maybe 2 years?) in a militia unit just after turning 18 - for both men and women. Once you're past your mandatory service you can certainly elect to remain in the militia if you so desire, up to whatever age seemed appropriate (50?).
    Ok check this out:
    The "Regular" military are armed forced owned and commanded by the Federal government with the President of the United States at the top of their 'chain of command'. Please see US code Title10 for more information.

    Each individual State owns their own air force (Air National Guard), army (Army National Guard) and if applicable, navy (Coast Guard). These military units do not report to the President of the United States, but are commanded by the Governor. When a Guard unit activates for a deployment in support of a Federal war, such as Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan, the State essentially loans out it's state-military to the Federal government.

    While Federal military units are primarily composed of full-time members, Guard units are typically made of reserve components because because a given state isn't waging as much war as the Federal government. While a typical Federal military career will consist of several over-seas deployments, a Guard career will mostly consist of natural disaster response.

    The above are all "organized", a word which I put in quotations because they are legally distinguished from "unorganized" military. Organized military have a formal command structure and an established, recognized office and headquarters...complete with official seal, mission statement, tax status, and yes even a letterhead.

    A militia can be organized, and frequently was during the revolutionary war, but is typically unorganized, officially. While there is always some kind of command structure, it is not formal, recognized by the host country or otherwise ligitomit. Subordinates can not be charged with any crime for braking any evident chain of command in an unorganized militia, for example, while they can be in an organized militia or other official military.

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    As this pertains to our current discussion:
    In the regular military and Guard, all weapons and equipment of every kind are issued by the organization to the individual soldier. The organization retains ownership of all weapons and equipment of every kind. The individual soldier never personally owns the machine gun they carry, the armored vehicle they drive, the MRE they eat, or the shirt on their back.

    In a militia, every individual soldier brings all of their own gear, and at their own expense. Each individual personally owns everything they have; because there is no institution organization to have issued them those items.

    In order for a citizen to have, carry and operate a military grade assault rifle to militia duty, s/he must first personally own it. Any weapon a citizen is not allowed to personally own will not be available to a militia.

    Militias are used as a Quick Reaction Force when the regular army can not engage an enemy for whatever (typically logistical) reason. In the civil war, militias were 'called up' so as to present military resistance when the regular army could not get to a location in time or had to few numbers and needed to be reinforced temporally.

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