View Poll Results: What do you think gun control should be like?

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  • Let everyone have a gun

    26 26.53%
  • Quick background check to purchase and carry

    28 28.57%
  • Quick background check to purchase, but more difficult to carry

    12 12.24%
  • Background check, waiting period for purchase and carrying.

    19 19.39%
  • Background check, waiting period, no carrying

    5 5.10%
  • No guns at all

    8 8.16%
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    "As far as I am concerned" is an opinion, not a fact.
    that is true. however, while they may not be illegal...they surely don't fall into line with the Constitution.

    that's not opinion....that's called the English language.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    what in God's name are you trying to pull? maybe you should post this crap in the Conspiracy Theory section.

    Look them up. These are cases where the government KILLED people who were standing up for their rights. These people were not convicted of crimes and in most cases won huge settlements from the government for their losses. This is not conspiracy this is reality. They had nothing to hide.

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didnít have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, Iím allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and Iíve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I donít, before you know it, you wonít let me say nothing at all"
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    that is true. however, while they may not be illegal...they surely don't fall into line with the Constitution.

    that's not opinion....that's called the English language.
    What about the SCOTUS decisions I have mentioned more than once now that you choose to ignore.

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didnít have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, Iím allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and Iíve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I donít, before you know it, you wonít let me say nothing at all"
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Look them up. These are cases where the government KILLED people who were standing up for their rights. These people were not convicted of crimes and in most cases won huge settlements from the government for their losses. This is not conspiracy this is reality. They had nothing to hide.
    In this, you are correct.

    Ultimately, all power comes from the barrel of a gun, and if you resist the law long enough and fiercely enough -- ANY law -- the government WILL come and shoot you.

    That is the ultimate threat from which governments derive all power.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    A revolver is not a semi-automatic.
    I should have said 'and revolvers' - thanks for the correction.
    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    I don't think it matters how many shots you want to take. The less bullets you plan on expending the more dangerous I think you are going to be anyway....to yourself or others.
    Not much for hunting are you? Around here you have three shots max before a reload on a shotgun. (It could be four but I think it's three.) Double-barrels, of course, give you two shots. Hunting rifles are typically single shot, lever action or bolt action. I've never seen anyone seriously hunt with an M-16, AK-47, or any other semi-auto. Can't recall anyone hunting with a handgun, really, but if someone wants a two-shot Derringer that doesn't bother me.
    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Always watch out for the guy who says...can I buy A bullet. Or can I buy 2 bullets? And if he says 3 bullets...it is probably for that guy that his wife cheated with.
    We're not talking bullets here. A duck hunter won't go out with only three shells even though that's all he can put in the gun. Don't be obtuse.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    when someone makes an error of this magnitude its hard to ever find them credible on any gun issue
    Believe what you will. I don't have the technical jargon down because the people around me don't use handguns. Doesn't mean I wasn't 12 when I fired my first rifle (it was just a .22 but still) or that I haven't shot an M-14. I've had plenty of opportunity to fire an AK-47 or an Uzi, I have a friend that has one of each, but I have no interest in it.

    I have no problem with anyone (except felons and Mr Looney Tunes) owning a gun of any kind. I think the more firepower the gun has - meaning how many people you can kill per minute - the more you should be checked out before being allowed to own it. I don't even have objection to full auto's. It's so easy to turn some semi-autos into full auto anyway (or at least it used to be) that we may as well make it legal. (It's like trying to outlaw pot, which is also stupid.) You want to slam and exclude me because I'm color blind when it comes to handguns? Fine - you do that. But you're being stupid 'cause I'm a LOT more on your side than I am the other, numb nuts.

    On the flip side, anybody caught with a full auto and no documentation for it should be thrown in jail for 10 years, no parole; 25 years if they shouldn't have had one in the first place.

    To take up a question I asked you twice, that you never answered: No, I don't give a **** if my neighbor does have a tank as long as he's been cleared to own one. If some 20-year ex-armor vet wants to play with tanks in his old age more power to him.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That Was Awesome
    Actually it was not.

    Two members here have made a serious error. The argumentum ad populatim was made by Turtle in claiming that he was right because a few other members agreed with him in his opinion. I properly applied the fallacy to his tactic and exposed it.

    When I referred to the building of monuments and memorials to the slain innocents heralded as heroes in previous events such as 911, Columbine and Oklahoma City I was not using the opinion of some board members here who are fellow believers who simply share an ideological self imposed belief. I was referring to the historical fact that these memorials were built and the people who built them as well as the media of the nation did so in honoring them as heroes. We have no less than the remarks of the President of the United States as well as Congress as well as the inscriptions and dedication ceremonies to look to.

    The issue is not using opinion to prove who is right about their opinion. The issue is using evidence of historical fact to demonstrate that a precedent has been set in which the slain innocents were memorialized as heroes just as I suggested the Ohio youth should be accorded the same honors.

    If some fellow traveler who shares the belief system of Turtle wants to equate all that with the simple beliefs of a few posters here simply to help him save face - so be it. But they are so very very different things. One is a tactic used by Turtle to take the views of a small number of fellow posters to support his false accusations where he failed to present any actual evidence to support his charges ie: that I am anti Second Amendment. The other is a recognition of the historical record and actions taken by the nation to honor the slain dead with memorials and monuments and the remarks made to honor them as heroes.

    I realize that people who did not formally debate and were not educated to these differences and nuances might improperly confuse the actual situation in an attempt to help their fellow poster with whom they share some ideological belief.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Read back, I've got you both ways. They are in the militia as able bodied men 18-45, they are private militia in that you must have a common ground(membership) to be involved in their activities, and they drill regularly. They organize as a unit and they have used weapons. That being said they are the definition of a militia in every sense of the word.
    I'll be sure to remember that definition if we ever get back to the Berkeley "militia" attacking non-violent students with mace.
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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The Battle of Lexington & Concord......1775.

    The United States Constitution....1787.

    The 2nd Militia Act....1792.

    I think you are going backwards, friend. But keep it up...its funny.


    and neither had the militia members who served as the main Army during the Civil War prior to the outbreak of that conflict. And the last Act you mention explicitly states that every male of military age shall be considered an at large member of the militia, and is ordered to arm himself and maintain his weaponry. If you want to argue that that law is still binding, then you or anyone else who is not armed is in violation.

    again, it's irrelevant to a discussion of the 2nd Amendment, as the right is reserved to the people, and done so explicitly with the intention that they retain the ability should they choose to do so of overthrowing an overweening government by force of arms.

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    Re: Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Believe what you will. I don't have the technical jargon down because the people around me don't use handguns. Doesn't mean I wasn't 12 when I fired my first rifle (it was just a .22 but still) or that I haven't shot an M-14. I've had plenty of opportunity to fire an AK-47 or an Uzi, I have a friend that has one of each, but I have no interest in it.

    I have no problem with anyone (except felons and Mr Looney Tunes) owning a gun of any kind. I think the more firepower the gun has - meaning how many people you can kill per minute - the more you should be checked out before being allowed to own it. I don't even have objection to full auto's. It's so easy to turn some semi-autos into full auto anyway (or at least it used to be) that we may as well make it legal. (It's like trying to outlaw pot, which is also stupid.) You want to slam and exclude me because I'm color blind when it comes to handguns? Fine - you do that. But you're being stupid 'cause I'm a LOT more on your side than I am the other, numb nuts.

    On the flip side, anybody caught with a full auto and no documentation for it should be thrown in jail for 10 years, no parole; 25 years if they shouldn't have had one in the first place.

    To take up a question I asked you twice, that you never answered: No, I don't give a **** if my neighbor does have a tank as long as he's been cleared to own one. If some 20-year ex-armor vet wants to play with tanks in his old age more power to him.
    Putting people in jail for merely owning something is tyrannical and disgusting and violates the constitution and again you prove how little you know-more bullets does not necessarily mean more lethal

    if that were true we'd hunt elephants, lions and bears with 50 shot 22 caliber rifles rather than double barrelled 458 magnums and our soldiers would be issued machine guns with the same 22 ammo since you can carry 1000 rounds of 22 far more easily than 200 rounds of 308 NATO

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